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On 8 Dec, 2005, at 11:58 AM, Manu Cornet wrote:
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Sleep
Hibernate
Restart
Shut Down
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Lock Screen
Switch Account...
Log Out
Do you think we should have so many items in the System menu ?
There would be 13 items altogether, which is a bit long, though not
awful. Three pie-in-the-sky ways of shortening the menu:
1. moving "Help" and "About" to a separate "Help" menu (easy, but the
help isn't useful enough to warrant its own menu at the moment);
This is the way Mac OS X does it, but it has much fewer items (doesn't
have Hibernate,
2. merging "Sleep" and "Hibernate" into a single command like newer
versions of Mac OS X do, so "Sleep" suspends both to RAM and to
disk (difficult);
3. merging "Preferences" and "Administration", once enough applets
have merged that such a combined menu would be sane (very
difficult).
nor Lock Screen, and Switch Account is located somewhere else).
And considering that you chosse "Restart" for instance, you still need
to display some confirmation dialog, and you still need to know
whether the user wants to save the session or not...
Not necessarily. I don't think "Save current session" is important
enough to ask about at every exit. If saving the session is useful to
you some of the time or all of the time, you can set that in the
"Sessions" preferences. Then if you have the setting turned on but it's
not useful on an individual occasion, that's no big deal, you can just
close the windows you don't want before you log out (or after you've
logged in the next time).
Couldn't we just separate this into just two categories : on the one
hand, actions that are going to induce a change on the system state
(rebbot, or any kind of sleep/shutdown action), and the ones that only
concerns user-switching related issues ?
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* Two items in the system menu. We need to find good titles for those,
but for example "Manage session"
Windows calls this "Log Off".
and "Shut Down" (huh, there's probably much better ^^). Each item
brings up a separate dialog, with respectively 3 and 4 buttons
(similar to what I have done so far) plus "Cancel" and "Save session"
checkbox.
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If giving up the "Save session" checkbox is acceptable, another way
would be to have an "Exit" submenu containing the items that would
normally have a confirmation alert (Restart, Shut Down, and Log Out).
The difficulty of entering the submenu would be equal to the difficulty
of accepting a confirmation alert, so the alerts for those commands
would no longer be necessary.
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Sleep
Hibernate
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Lock Screen
Switch Account...
Exit > | Log Out
| Restart
| Shut Down
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Somethings that bothers me is that we would have different places
(top-right and System menu) where the same actions could be found, and
I'm not convinced it's the best thing to do... Is the top-right icon
really a good idea ?
I don't think so, but apparently sabdfl wants it.
Or couldn't we just replace it with a mini-menu, with just two items
(like above) ? And in that case, would having these same two items in
both locations (top-right and System menu) be really necessary (we
could just remove them from the System menu) ?
That's a possibility.
Pesonnally, I think that the upper-right part of the panel is already
cluttered enough, and we should keep those actions in the System
menu...
Is there some place on the wiki where strong arguments in favor of the
top-right icon are shown ?
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Not as far as I know.
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Matthew Paul Thomas
http://mpt.net.nz/
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