Hi One thing to consider here is that the FOSS scene gets enough stick about fragmentation with the sheer number of distributions we already have. 4 official variations of Ubuntu is enough for me.
You have to remember why Ubuntu works as well as it does in the first place - because canonical took a core set of software and decided to support it. By having lots of variations as you propose, it will make QA orders of magnitude more difficult. I think this proposal will have to wait until Ubuntu has grown into something much bigger and much more mature. While Ubuntu is indeed the flagship of "it just works" distros, I don't think it's quite at the level it needs to be before we can start diluting efforts. Cheers On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 08:13 +0200, Gueven Bay wrote: > > > > Your description roughly matches the way that Ubuntu is already structured. > > Yes, it matches the way Ubuntu is structured. But - as you know - Ubuntu is > GNU/Linux > today. The first new proposal of me was to get other free operating systems > under Ubuntu's > project. > > > That is, I don't see any work to be done on the core OS in order to enable > > the development of the derivatives you describe. > > You are very right. For the core Ubuntu as it is today you don't have any > work to be done. > The only work to be done if Ubuntu Metadistribution is going to be reality is > to include > the other OSes step for step into the Ubuntu structure (repository, live cds > and so on). > > > There is already a > > derivative of Ubuntu using the OpenSolaris kernel, for example. > > Thank you very much for bringing this distribution into discussion. > As cool as Nexenta - the Ubuntu OpenSolaris mix disro - is it has in my eyes > one flaw: > It mixes two worlds - the world of (Open)Solaris and GNU/Linux- on a very low > level : It uses the kernel > of on OS (Solaris) and uses the (low level) libraries and userland of another > (GNU/Linux). > This mix is not good. > For one: The low level libs of GNU and also the userland is today developed > with Linux in mind. > But - staying in this example - (Open)Solaris has its own proven and tested > libs and userland which the > users of this operating system like and know. The mix on this level is - > today at least - not good. > For two: Users who want to use (Open)Solaris want the full (Open)Solaris > "experience" (I hope you can see > what I want to say here.) There are many who don't like the GNu userland for > example. > (For three: -As the Ubuntu folks come from Debian they would understand this > - The mixing of libs and userland > Nexenta does is not clean as the license questions are stil not solved today.) > > > So what is it that you are proposing specifically? > > > What I want is to combine the worlds of several free operating systems with > the "philosophy" of Ubuntu: > ease of use, shiny new releases every eye blink , cool community, "business > awareness" but - with the combination > of several operating systems under Ubuntu - the _full_ choice the free > software world gives. > > Let me specify this - with the things I wrote above in mind- in the example > of Ubuntu/OpenSolaris: > > The original OpenSolaris with its libs and docus and userland (in the > OpenSolaris world these are called consolidations) > + The packages to get all the functionality of a Ubuntu Release (CD/DVD) from > the Blastwave repository (this is > a repo which gives the Solaris user an "apt-get like structure". > + The Ubuntu specific programs and packages ported to OpenSolaris (for > example the installer, the update notifier but > also the Gnome adaptations of Ubuntu). > Please have in mind here that the OpenSolaris world stays as it is and it is > known to the user (with some very little adaptations). > > This all combined in the Ubuntu repositories , with the apropriate user > mailing lists and forums, tested for half year release > as Ubuntu/GNU/Linux is tested and released every six months. > > ("Port" this example to the other proposed operating systems FreeBSD, NetBSD). > > The end user gets a web-site, > where he clicks and chooses the operating system he wants to test/learn/use, > where he clicks and chooses the desktop environment and "experience" he wants > under the chosen OS (Gnome,KDE,XFCE) > where he clicks and chooses the kind of release he wants to download (CD/DVD, > mybe USB sticks in the future). > So in the end every one would get : > the __full__ choice the world of free software gives the user > but with the community support structure of Ubuntu today. > > I hope that my example made it clear what I proposed. > > Thank you for your questions. > regards > Gueven > _______________________________________________________________ > SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell und > kostenguenstig. 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