Le lundi 05 mai 2008 à 09:11 -0400, Blaise Alleyne a écrit : > Billy Cina wrote: > > George Farris wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:38 +0300, Billy Cina wrote: > >> > >>>> Right, so if we want to use the manual in our Community Education course > >>>> to introduce and teach Ubuntu Linux while charging the student a fee for > >>>> the course, this would be okay? > >>>> > >>>> Note: these are not degree courses they fall into the same category as > >>>> "learn to paint" or "better life through yoga". Strictly for community > >>>> personal interest with charges usually between $50.00 - $199.00 > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Non-profit are key words. $50 - $199.00 sounds like profit seeking to me. > >>> > >>> Billy Cina > >>> > >> > >> Exactly which brings me back to the original question. > >> > >> It seems a little out of touch with the rest of Ubuntu. > >> > >> If one can take Hardy Heron and use it to present a course on Linux > >> while charging for the course, why wouldn't you have the license similar > >> for the documents? Charge for the course (not the material) but use the > >> material to refer to in the course. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> > > Dear George and Blaise, > > > > Am addressing both in the same email. > > Thanks for the response. > > > > > Ubuntu is a free distribution and will always continue to be free. > > However, this does not mean that every service provided to support > > Ubuntu or its further expansion must also be free. > > Free as in price or freedom? No one expects that every service provided to > support Ubuntu will be provided at no cost, but one does expect Canonical to > have a more consistent respect for the freedom central to the open source > software it provides. Using a non-free license by choice seems inconsistent > with Canonical's stated mission of "facilitating the continued growth and > development of the free software community" since it's inconsistent with the > community's beliefs and restricts its development. [0] > > > Both the Ubuntu > > community and Canonical have invested a lot of time and money in > > developing this course, > > I don't think anyone takes for granted the effort that's gone into this > project, which is why it'd be a shame if the fruits of that labour are only > unavailable under a non-free license, limiting their value and usage. > > > it is therefor reasonable for: a. the community > > to be able to use the material (freely) to further spread the work of > > Ubuntu and grow the user base, > > The important point raised is that the community /isn't/ able to use to the > work freely, in the sense of freedom, only in the sense of price. Community > members are in a legal grey area, at best, if they want to be compensated for > any time and money they spend on training if they make use of these materials > because of the non-commercial clause. > > > and b. for Canonical to determine who > > should be seeking a profit out of its investment. > > It's reasonable, in the sense that Canonical has the legal right to make such > a decision. But Canonical (and the community) would benefit from some > consistency in their commitment to free software and free culture. If > everyone in the free software world believed it was reasonable "to determine > who should be seeking a profit out of [their] investment[s]," Canonical > wouldn't have a distribution. Totally agreed. If you don't want to make the community documentation (really) free, please just tell it and benevolent people will go elsewhere to work. I don't think we're willing to spend time on restricted material, we have better to do. Ubuntu is not just a competitor to Microsoft, it is free software - please don't play with definitions of free.
To me, it's a shame this point is discussed; I believed this was just a mistake, but no, this is a strategic choice... Would you like to release Ubuntu under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license too? Hopefully you can't, but what is for you the difference between the software and its documentation? Please be consistent. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
