Hi Hartmut :) I guess it's a faux pas to write about FLOSS with the opinion that an app isn't a full version, without supporting proprietary plugins. And of cause it's a faux pas to use a seldom used codec/container for the web-cast about FLOSS.
But regarding to a main target group that isn't using FLOSS, a common proprietary codec seems to be wise. To produce music, it also can't harm to provide all plugin formats for Linux hosts, assumed they are really stable on Linux too, because there's too much missing for Linux. Now I'm 44 years old and don't like auto-tune, but I guess the kids do need auto-tune since there is not one song in the charts not using it. What I do like is this portamento-pitch-bend-effect they do use for every song in the charts (seldom the way they use it), perhaps auto-tune too? Or one of those modern virtual synth? If we need an arp arpeggiator (step-sequencer) or a chorus singing our lyrics, a real orchestra etc. we can't use Linux plugins or virtual Linux stand-alone synth. I'm using Linux only, but I'm really missing those plugins, especially because it's hard to use external MIDI equipment, regarding to the jitter issue. I'm also not fine with recording vocals and guitars, regarding to sound quality issues and latency that can't be compensated properly, when using my favourite Linux sequencer. So, yes, I do agree that this article and the codec issue are a faux pas, but I also do understand that people wish to have proprietary extensions when using FLOSS. On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 22:41 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 25.04.2011 11:40, schrieb Ralf: > > Oops, I guess I blamed the RedHat guy, but it's a woman from RedHad > > writing about > > 'Ardour - proprietary_plugins = not_a_full_version_of_Ardour'. > > > Sorry, I cannot find the original article -- do you have a link to it by > any chance :-) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2011-April/007529.html --> Web-cast: http://opensource.com/business/11/4/today-making-music-foss-webcast-2-pm-est --> Recap: Making music with FOSS webcast with Adam Drew Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Ruth Suehle (Red Hat) [snip] JACK [snip] Hydrogen [snip] Rakarrack [snip] ZynAddSubFX [snip] Ardour [snip] Ardour is free software released under the GPL, but it's not entirely free-as-in-beer. For the full version (which adds the ability to load or save AU plugin settings), you're asked to donate any amount you feel is appropriate. (The default recommendation on the donation page is $45.) Getting help These are just five of the hundreds of audio packages you have to choose from for nearly any music project you could imagine. Adam recommends two really helpful and active online communities with IRC channels on the Freenode network: #opensourcemusicians (which has a podshow about open source audio) and #ubuntustudio, which has a very active mailing list and is growing. His nick is holstein--feel free to say hello. [snip] (https://opensource.com/users/suehle she's of cause a good looking rock star. I didn't read the whole article ;) OT: This reminds me to cross-post this email, because, IIRC, somebody wishes to use a Mac Vocoder, because there are no good Linux Vocoders for his needs (he tried not to do 'vocal classics', that can be easily done by using the VocProc LV2, but to manipulate music completely, which only is possible with Windows VSTs and MacOS plugins, btw. regular vocoders on Linux aren't ok here, I'm using VocProc for vocals and it's working like a charm for this usage, but indeed, there's no real modern vocoder for Linux. Windows VSTs on Linux, well, people might be sensitive for jitter, latency etc. or they are comfortable with using Wineasio and complete loss of musical timing and sync. This depends to the kind of musician using Linux + Wineasio ;). And by the way, Qtractor and other apps should start to switch to JACK MIDI, since JACK2 from svn seems to be nearly without jitter, when using the new ALSArawMIDIbridge to control external equipment. I just run the latency test and didn't test real instruments until now. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
