On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote: > On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: >> On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: >>> On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: >>>> On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France <gareth.fra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts >>>>> something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and >>>>> not >>>>> everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for >>>>> years >>>>> its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the >>>>> group, I >>>>> dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when >>>>> people see this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a >>>>> number >>>>> of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not >>>>> so long >>>>> back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably >>>>> harsh manner >>>>> by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no >>>>> evidence and >>>>> proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. >>>>> >>>>> I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an >>>>> expert, not >>>>> everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you >>>>> respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption >>>>> and as >>>>> many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making >>>>> them >>>>> feel small, they will only leave. >>>> I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking >>>> exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he >>>> said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried >>>> you? >>>> >>>> Colin >>>> >>> I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was >>> acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot >>> me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. >>> >>> I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt >>> completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like >>> they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable >>> about Linux.....the rest of us are treated like I have been now. >>> >>> An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are >>> shouted down in, by the same people every time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) >> aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does >> small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider >> community benefits, >> >> Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several >> million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and >> awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, >> >> some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so >> unless you understand what it is asking you to do >> >> # >> >> >> Do not install unsigned packages >> # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository >> # Keep your system up to date at all times >> # Keep all browser plugins up to date >> # If your distribution has SELinux, use it >> # Do not let others install software on your machines >> # Use solid passwords >> # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why >> >> Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the >> above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux >> website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful >> and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't >> understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of >> understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at >> that from a complete new user viewpoint) >> >> >> >> Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really >> does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the >> above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more >> secure through education and advice. >> >> I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can >> help me explain each of the above points please, this information will >> then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice >> help others. >> Hope this helps >> >> In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to >> include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, >> >> Paul >> >> > Hi, > Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not > certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! > Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! > What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? > What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as > the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain > webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to > continue using it?) > > I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world > SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;) > > Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to research, if > anyone has some good links on the subject I (if not anyone else) would > be interested in seeing them, But google will provide the answers im sure!! > > Thanks for giving me some more research.... I dont spend enough time in > front of a screen (lol) > > Pete Smout > > Right a quick google of 'SELinux ubuntu 13.04' a link top of page to an Amazon page trying to sell me a Ubunutu DVD for £6.49 (even I am not that stupid) the SELinux wiki page is helpful if long-winded, and I have found a folder /selinux which is completely empty on my system? does that mean it is there? Or is it there and never been configured for use? And on a single user system (as opposed to a server) do I need it at all?
I apologize in advance if I (1) should start a new thread (will happily do so), or (2) am asking stupid questions, but this thread has got me thinking...... Pete Smout -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
