On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout <psmo...@live.com> wrote: > On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote: >> On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: >>> On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: >>>> On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: >>>>> On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France <gareth.fra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts >>>>>> something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and >>>>>> not >>>>>> everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for >>>>>> years >>>>>> its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the >>>>>> group, I >>>>>> dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when >>>>>> people see this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a >>>>>> number >>>>>> of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not >>>>>> so long >>>>>> back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably >>>>>> harsh manner >>>>>> by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no >>>>>> evidence and >>>>>> proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an >>>>>> expert, not >>>>>> everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you >>>>>> respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption >>>>>> and as >>>>>> many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making >>>>>> them >>>>>> feel small, they will only leave. >>>>> I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking >>>>> exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he >>>>> said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried >>>>> you? >>>>> >>>>> Colin >>>>> >>>> I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was >>>> acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot >>>> me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. >>>> >>>> I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt >>>> completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like >>>> they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable >>>> about Linux.....the rest of us are treated like I have been now. >>>> >>>> An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are >>>> shouted down in, by the same people every time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) >>> aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does >>> small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider >>> community benefits, >>> >>> Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several >>> million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and >>> awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, >>> >>> some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so >>> unless you understand what it is asking you to do >>> >>> # >>> >>> >>> Do not install unsigned packages >>> # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository >>> # Keep your system up to date at all times >>> # Keep all browser plugins up to date >>> # If your distribution has SELinux, use it >>> # Do not let others install software on your machines >>> # Use solid passwords >>> # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why >>> >>> Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the >>> above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux >>> website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful >>> and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't >>> understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of >>> understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at >>> that from a complete new user viewpoint) >>> >>> >>> >>> Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really >>> does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the >>> above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more >>> secure through education and advice. >>> >>> I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can >>> help me explain each of the above points please, this information will >>> then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice >>> help others. >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to >>> include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >> Hi, >> Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not >> certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! >> Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! >> What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? >> What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as >> the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain >> webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to >> continue using it?) >> >> I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world >> SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;) >> >> Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to research, if >> anyone has some good links on the subject I (if not anyone else) would >> be interested in seeing them, But google will provide the answers im sure!! >> >> Thanks for giving me some more research.... I dont spend enough time in >> front of a screen (lol) >> >> Pete Smout >> >> > Right a quick google of 'SELinux ubuntu 13.04' a link top of page to an > Amazon page trying to sell me a Ubunutu DVD for £6.49 (even I am not > that stupid) the SELinux wiki page is helpful if long-winded, and I have > found a folder /selinux which is completely empty on my system? does > that mean it is there? > Or is it there and never been configured for use? > And on a single user system (as opposed to a server) do I need it at all? > > I apologize in advance if I (1) should start a new thread (will happily > do so), or (2) am asking stupid questions, but this thread has got me > thinking...... > > Pete Smout
Try searching for AppArmor, SEL is not used on Ubuntu. -- Kris Douglas MBCS www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
