Kasangwawo
Do your self a favour, go and borrow a dictionary from a kid next to you
block and look for these two words. Federalism and feudalism. Then get back
to me after.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> What's troubling your little brain now, grumpy old man ?
> The Buganda institution (in my language we call it the Great Lukiiko) will
> be elected just like the Swedish parliament is elected and they still have
a
> king; just like the Scottish parliament is elected but they have a Queen;
> just like the Welsh parliament is elected but they still have a Queen.
Need
> I go on ? Is this clearer to you now ? I really don't see where your
> confusion is coming from. Maybe its because you come from a culture that
is
> ignorant of royalty.
>
> Okay, so you're refraining from the term 'sources of income', let's then
go
> back to your level. What resources do you have to generate income from ?
> Millet or beans ? Are you also going to try out the barter trade ? Be real
!
>
> Kasangwawo
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:46:32 -0400
> >
> >Kasngwawo
> >
> >Wait a minute, how will the Buganda institution be elected when it will
be
> >led by Ssabasajja? Are going to elect the king of Buganda? Or you are
> >simply
> >stating that Buganda will have Ssabasajja as a cultural leader but
Buganda
> >will have administrative leaders who will be elected? Please clarify what
> >you are trying to say here.
> >
> >I am for creating jobs, and Kasangwawo forget the term I used " Sources
of
> >income" let us go back to the normal level of Ugandan discussion. Why?
> >Because I am one of those people who believe that we must live in our
> >means,
> >we must generate our own income from the resources we have, so I will not
> >go
> >to World bank to beg for funds as Museveni does, or to Museveni as
> >Ssabasajja does.
> >
> >Em
> >
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:21 PM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> >
> >
> > > Mulindwa,
> > >
> > > for the thousandth time, under a federal arrangement the
representatives
> >in
> > > the Buganda institution will be elected and they will be accountable
to
> >the
> > > people who elect them.
> > > But maybe you can start by telling us how you are going to create
> >sources
> >of
> > > income - where are you going to get the funds ?
> > >
> > > Kasangwawo
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:35:40 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Kasangwawo
> > > >
> > > >What is normal is any state any country or any organisation, is to
> >start
> >by
> > > >creating sources of income, after you have those sources then you
will
> >know
> > > >how and if you can/will tax the population. It is very complicated to
> >build
> > > >a house starting from the roof. Secondly are you sure a Mugisu or
even
> >a
> > > >Muganda will pay his taxes to Mengo, an institution that is (a)
corrupt
> >and
> > > >(b) un elected?
> > > >
> > > >Em
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:59 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mulindwa,
> > > > >
> > > > > you seem to have specialized in taking statements out of context
and
> > > >trying
> > > > > to use them to satisfy your motives. The facts I gave to COO were
> > > >related
> > > >to
> > > > > the issue of the status of Kampala at the time (early 60s) and he
> >hasn't
> > > > > challenged them. I never claimed that the tax base now is the same
> >as
> >it
> > > >was
> > > > > then.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not quite sure where you got that stuff about graduated tax
but
> >it
> > > >seems
> > > > > you are just making it up. I doubt your little brain is able to
> >follow
> > > >the
> > > > > intricacies of taxation. I shall therefore just restrict myself to
> > > >giving
> > > > > you a list of the type of taxes federalists are proposing for the
> > > >different
> > > > > levels of government. As you will see, there is no mention of the
> > > >graduated
> > > > > tax which you are accusing federalists of proposing.
> > > > >
> > > > > And, yes, under a federal system, whether he feels comfortable or
> >not,
> >a
> > > > > Mugisu living in Bweyogerere will have to pay taxes to the Buganda
> > > > > government for that's where he will be getting his services from.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kasangwawo
> > > > > ......
> > > > >
> > > > > Taxation
> > > > >
> > > > > Federal, State and Local governments shall have the ability to
raise
> > > >taxes
> > > > > to meet their administrative, social, economic, and development
> > > > > responsibilities.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tax collection shall be either shared (concurrent), or Exclusive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Federal Revenue Authorities shall collect federal taxes, while
State
> >and
> > > > > Local Revenue Authorities shall collect State and Local taxes.
> > > > >
> > > > > ........
> > > > > Concurrent Federal and State Taxes
> > > > >
> > > > > The Federal Government and the States shall share the following
> >taxes:
> > > > >
> > > > > a) Personal Income Tax (PIT), Federal Government 35%, States 65%
> > > >(Germany)
> > > > > b) Corporate Income Tax (CIT), Federal Government, 35%, States 65%
> > > >(Germany)
> > > > > c) Value Added Tax (VAT), also called the Retail Sales Tax (RST)
> > > > > d) Tobacco Tax
> > > > > e) Gasoline Tax
> > > > > f) Fuel Tax - this and the gasoline tax
> > > > > g) Mining Tax
> > > > > h) Capital gains tax, 50% inclusion rate
> > > > > i) Excise taxes
> > > > > j) Alcohol taxes
> > > > > k) Levies on gambling establishments
> > > > > ....
> > > > >
> > > > > Exclusive Federal Taxes
> > > > >
> > > > > The federal government shall collect all Equalization taxes and
> > > >redistribute
> > > > > the revenue among the states according to the formulas set by law.
> > > > >
> > > > > Exclusive Local Government Taxes
> > > > >
> > > > > The Lower Local governments including Municipalities, Districts
and
> > > >Counties
> > > > > shall collect the following taxes:
> > > > >
> > > > > Property Taxes
> > > > > Business taxes
> > > > > Market taxes
> > > > > Taxi Parks
> > > > > Trading Licenses
> > > > > Housing Estates
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:44:27 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In as much as Naduli might be right or wrong, but Buganda must
and
> > > >should
> > > > > >start to think in the 21st century. Buganda must look into
> >investment,
> > > >into
> > > > > >job creation, into creating tax bases. But you see it is only
> >comical
> > > >when
> > > > > >we complain on what we must be given. That is why I was so amazed
> >that
> > > >I
> > > > > >have spent now almost three years preaching a gospel of stopping
> > > >graduated
> > > > > >tax system in Uganda, for it is surely the most primitive
taxation
> >one
> > > >can
> > > > > >look at. But here I was and Buganda has put its foot down for if
it
> > > >does
> > > > > >not get taxation rights in Uganda it is going to refuse the
> >federalism.
> > > > > >Where are the critical thinkers in Buganda? Is there any nation
you
> > > >know
> > > > > >today that Uses graduated tax system for its funds? It is
primitive
> >and
> > > >it
> > > > > >must be stopped hence forth. But Buganda is crying for that and
> >today.
> > > > > >Then you look on another one, one of the Preachers of Mengo
sermon
> >in
> > > >the
> > > > > >forum, last week reminded COO that Buganda was given the Kampala
> >tax
> > > >base,
> > > > > >which included the Indians'buisnesses. Well but today the Indians
> >are
> > > >no
> > > > > >longer in Uganda, if they are there, the tax base is not as it
was,
> > > >Again
> > > > > >Buganda stop thinking that you are still in the year 1500 this is
> >2003
> > > >and
> > > > > >moving and fast. For you can not help but wonder, suppose NRM
today
> > > >gives
> > > > > >Buganda a right to collect tax who are they going to tax? Again
my
> > > > > >embattled mother? And is Mengo sure that the population will hand
> >over
> > > >the
> > > > > >monies willingly? If so how many Baganda are pumping money to
help
> > > >Mengo
> > > > > >today financially? The population cosmic has as well changed, you
> >will
> > > >be
> > > > > >amazed that today there are more non-Baganda in Buganda, you do
not
> > > >believe
> > > > > >me? Try visiting Bweyogerere you will think that you are in
Mbaale,
> >Are
> > > > > >those good citizens going to pay taxes to maintain the Buganda
> >Kingdom?
> > > >You
> > > > > >see a Mugisu might feel very comfortable paying his taxes to NRM
> > > >government
> > > > > >for it is a Uganda government, but will he pay it to run the
> >Buganda
> > > > > >government? Thos are very serious questions Mengo must ask her
> >self,
> > > >but
> > > > > >you see we are not supposed to bring up such questions for then,
we
> >are
> > > > > >anti Buganda and working for Obote who is the main employer of
> >Ugandans
> > > > > >these days.
> > > > > >And I will say as I did some moths ago, we should look at the
> >assets,
> > > >why
> > > > > >keep the Mengo government in Bulange, a government which does not
> >raise
> > > >any
> > > > > >funds. Squeezed in a national capital. Why don't we move this
> > > >government
> > > > > >with the King to Bamunanika, we go to Baamunanika and buy a whole
> >land
> > > >for
> > > > > >the land is actually available, we take our cultural leader and
> >vacate
> > > >the
> > > > > >Bulange and most of those Kampala buildings. For trust me
Sheraton
> >can
> > > >pay
> > > > > >a good some of money to Mengo if it uses that building, and it
will
> > > > > >renovate it to the standards of the capital city and Mengo will
in
> >the
> > > >end
> > > > > >be the winner, than sticking with it and it is helping Kampala
mice
> >to
> > > > > >breed. You will one day get a strong mayor for Kampala and he
will
> >shut
> > > >it
> > > > > >down, of what value is that to Buganda?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Identification crisis? Yes. But uncritical thinking? Very
> >poisonous,
> > > >just
> > > > > >watch as time goes by.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Em
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Omar Kezimbira
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> > > > > > Subject: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By Richard Komakech
> > > > > > THE Luweero district chairman has challenged the Mengo
> > > >government
> > > > > >to devise projects that will help the Baganda utilise their land
> > > >instead
> > > >of
> > > > > >selling it.
> > > > > > Haji Abdul Nadduli, commenting on the ongoing row
between
> >the
> > > > > >kingdom and Property Masters, a Kampala real estate agency, said
> >the
> > > > > >Baganda are trying to fight poverty through selling their land.
> > > > > > "We only need to revive our economy and land sale will
> >stop.
> > > > > >Property Masters is not the problem, but are just mediators
between
> > > >Baganda
> > > > > >who want to sell their land and those who want to buy it,"
Nadduli
> > > >said.
> > > > > > "Why won't a peasant sell his land if there are people
> >willing
> > > >to
> > > > > >buy it?" he said.
> > > > > > Nadduli said the sale was a positive move towards
> >decongesting
> > > > > >urban centres of slums.
> > > > > > Buganda kingdom's Lukiiko (parliament) last week banned
> > > >Property
> > > > > >Masters from advertising on the kingdom's radio, Central
> >Broadcasting
> > > > > >Service (CBS).
> > > > > > The Lukiiko said Property Masters' business dealings are
a
> > > > > >deliberate move to deprive the Baganda of their land.
> > > > > > Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi and his katikkiro Joseph
> > > >Ssemwogerere
> > > > > >have at several occasions attacked Property Masters over their
> > > >business.
> > > > > > "I cannot concur with this argument. However, much as we
> >cry
> > > >about
> > > > > >land sale, we can't do much except finding gainful economic
> >activity
> > > >for
> > > > > >the subjects," Nadduli said.
> > > > > > Property Masters' boss, Peter Kasulu, recently cut ties
> >with
> > > >CBS
> > > > > >after Ssemwogerere accused him of masterminding a plan to rip the
> > > >Baganda
> > > > > >of their land.
> > > > > > Ends
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Published on: Monday, 29th September, 2003
> > > > > >
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