Mwaami Musaazi
You are not helping this exchange for you are refusing to respond to my
specific points, you are using your famous system of planting accusations
and praising Museveni. If you looked very careful in all my posting, I am
not here to praise a present government or a past government, for I think
there are very many Ugandans who have invested all their lives doing just
that. What I am here to do is to appeal for Ugandans to work towards things
or items which will belong to Uganda as a nation. Whether Amin is in power
or Obote or Museveni or Musaazi. I am more interested in permanent things or
systems which make the back born of any nation. Those are the items we are
missing in Uganda. All previous governments including Museveni's have been
governments praised by some non-critical thinker and they all have fallen
apart. And one of them is your self for you are praising Museveni
un-conditionally. And that is your prerogative. To me as Edward I am more
concerned to what will happen to Uganda when NRM is history, when you can
not log on Ugandanet for then you will be scared to be asked the questions,
or you will come back with a fake name like Kasangwawo or Salambwa. When the
fake constitution is torn into pieces, when Chakamuchaka is gone, when
Resistance councils are no more. What are Ugandans going to hold on? They
need a system, a system which will be permanent, a system which will be
present when you as Musaazi is gone, that is what I am talking about. That
is why you see that even when I talk about the Kingdom of Buganda, I am
asking for a transformation from year 1500 to year 2003. Mwaami Musaazi that
is what I need you to touch on, I have heard better praisers of Museveni so
do not even go there.
But let me note to you as well that misguided as your response was you have
to do better than that. For your claims are terribly embarrassing.
Uganda does not have freedom of speech.
Musaazi speech is only worth if what is written in the press bothers the
government and it changes its course. What is written in Uganda press does
not bother Uganda government a bit. There are two dangers, when the press
knows that the government will check all facts and defend its self or change
policies according to what is posted. The press stays on its toes to check
all news and info. That makes the press developed. What NRM brought in
Uganda, is you write it but it will mean nothing to us and we do not care.
Uganda press has changed from serious investigative writers to joke posters.
The fact that Uganda press used to post the name of a minister who stole
money from Uganda, post his account number in London and tell you the cheque
number on which that money went and the wire number, and Uganda government
does nothing. They are now posting articles like Mulindwa. Museveni's
daughter took an air stream jet to Germany at a cost of 9 Million dollars.
Even Edward can write that. Tell me some thing, what investigative report
did you see in that article?
NRM has not brought freedom of press in Uganda, it has actually killed it
for the people who were doing those investigations were frustrated left and
are now either in Malwa or exile.
But this is how Museveni survives, he knows that he has a bunch of
non-critical thinkers like you and very many Kampala friends you have. He
allows the papers to write any thing, and he does nothing. For he knows that
you always go for any born he throws out even if it is as hard as a rock.
Uganda news paper freedom is a fallacy only praised by misinformed
Movementists like you. He gave you another born that he loves Kingdoms. Many
of you jumped but you did not ask your selves some very fundamental
questions, like who gave Museveni a right to instate Kingdoms in Buganda
which are a natural right to Buganda? If he has a right to reinstall it,
does he have a right to shut it down? Or will another president at a future
date shut it down? Will he allow our king to collect taxes for his up-keep?
No for that was too much thinking. Today he is toying with our king. Would
have he gone into such a deal with Ankole? Hell no. He is now giving you
federalism. And you all have been jumpy untill when he has said nope there
is no taxation and you are not taking Kampala. Now you are talking about
Ki-Federo. Why don't you just help the rest of Uganda and Shut the hell up
for once?
Look here my friend, today there can not be a talk about federalism with
Museveni. Federalism must be discussed by Ugandans with-in them self, and
when they all feel that they have a common cause, then only then can they
make a document and take it to a Uganda government for a final resolution
which will be put in a constitution. All Ugandans must agree, for they have
a right to refuse it. For the record, what is happening in Uganda today is
a working out a deal between Museveni and Mengo. In this deal the only
winner will be Museveni. Look here the man is shrewd, that is why he started
his plan by planting a Catholic Movementist as a Katikiro. The man is more
powerful than Ssabasajja him self, for he controls the cash flow from NRM to
Mengo. Had you been a critical thinker you would have not called that a
Federalism discussion, for who ever is in it is just being used by Museveni
as he has used all our ancestors. And in the end he will burry all of you.
You do not believe me? Ask Tumwebaze.
In conclusion, when Museveni goes, so will the fake federalism, so will the
fake constitution, so will the Chakamuchaka, so will the RC system, so will
The camps in Northern Uganda. Buganda Kingdom? No it will stay for one very
simple reason. Kingdoms have nothing to do with the leadership of Uganda,
they do their thing there and the government does its thing here.
Ssabasajja's personal dealing with a killer government? That is a question
to be answered by Ugandans not me.
Be well my Movementist friend.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> Mulindwa you are just going around in circles and making no sense. Uganda
> today is not the Uganda you knew, God knows when. Your problem is that you
> have not been in Uganda for quite a while. You are basing your analysis on
> second hand information from sources that tell you what you want to hear,
> which is that Uganda is failing. This is why i have always said that you
are
> leaving in deception.
>
> Anyway if you have been in Uganda of recent you will know that there is no
> way that most of what you are prevaricating can occur now. As i have been
> saying, Ugandans are not the gulible, naive pathetic bunch that you think.
A
> federal system will work perfectly in Uganda. You don't seem to be
thinking
> of Uganda long term. There is a system right now in Uganda whether you
like
> it or not and things are better in Uganda. Take for example freedom of
> speach, all the sources of the negative postings you put up on this forum
> are from Ugandan media, or Uganda journalists in Uganda. People in Uganda
> openly discuss the rights and wrongs of the system without fear. Changes
are
> going on in Uganda. Today we can talk about the excesses of the Presidents
> children, who could dare do that in Obote and Amins time and still live to
> see the next day and by the way that is a check. Today Mr. Mulindwa you
can
> catch a plane, fly into Uganda and come out without any harrassements.
> Uganda does not have any political prisoners. Even Rebels are caught and
> realesed back to there families. If Kony were to stop fighting tomorrow,
> Northern Uganda would be the most peaceful place and the reason Kony is
> failing is because the people of Acholi, Iteso and Langi know that there
> problems have nothing to do with government.
>
> Just to be able to have political dialogue in Uganda on federalism or
> whatever (whether we support it or not) is a breath of fresh air, this was
> not possible in Amin or Obote's time, remember it was Obote who first
> introduced one party rule just after independence and our down hill slide
as
> a nation started, because he established a presidence for dictatorship and
> authoritarian rule. This President (Museveni) is in the process of
restoring
> us back to full fledged democracy, basically wiping Obote's mess, but it
> must be done with the full participation of Ugandans and when they are
> ready. Unlike the UPC mode of operation which is just to shove things down
> peoples throats. For God sake what does Obote in his eighies have to offer
> Uganda. Obote coming back into Uganda politics will be a recipy for
> disaster. It has been said that you can't teach an old dog new tricks,
Obote
> is a dictator he introduced dictatorship to Uganda and thrived on it and
now
> at the age of eighty he wants to come back as a "democrat" i'm sorry i can
> never buy that bull.
> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:54:12 -0400
> >
> >Mwaami Musaazi
> >
> >You are using a very good word, a system. We plug holes in a system. A
> >whole
> >system. On and on. That is where my question comes from, do we have a
> >system
> >in Uganda? Do we have a system in Buganda? Do we have a system in Mengo?
If
> >you were given a chance to work in Mengo today where do you start to
plug,
> >for you can not even plug, for we plug systems and Mengo has none. Am I
> >talking to my own shadows today?
> >
> >Look here what I see when I look at Uganda today, Uganda is a very
corrupt
> >nation, NRM government can not succeed if the population is corrupt as it
> >is, so is a DP government, so is a UPC government, so is Mengo
government,
> >so is a Unitary system so is a federalism system. Let me put it to you in
a
> >milk bottle. What we need in Uganda is a situation where Iddi Amin can
come
> >and form a government and go, where UPC can come and form a government
and
> >go, where Museveni and the movement bus can come and go.Where uniterism
can
> >come and go, where federalism can come and go. A system which is
permanent,
> >a system which stays as governments come and go. That system will state
> >that
> >every single Ugandan has a right to be alive. So if we get Museveni who
> >comes with a planed agenda to decimate Northerners, the system kicks him
> >out
> >and the system stays.
> >And yes you can refuse my analogy, but let me tell you today that one
crap
> >leader will look on Uganda's problem and will conclude that Uganda is so
> >fucked up for Baganda are going with waves and they back all Killers we
get
> >in Uganda. A decision will be made to kill as many Baganda as possible.
> >What
> >system will protect you? We need a system which creates a national army,
an
> >army which stays whether a government is in power or not.
> >
> >But here is the catch, how can you discuss that with Mengo, an enterprise
> >which decides to discuss the future of Uganda with Museveni a man who has
> >even failed to establish a national army? A man who rules Uganda through
a
> >Resistance army? A man who pleads for Federalism but can not reinstate
the
> >kingdom of his own area Ankole? Would have you taken me serious if I went
> >to
> >Busoga and preached the return of Kingdoms when I have trashed the one of
> >Buganda?
> >
> >It leaves me with only one option, Buganda has a population of
un-critical
> >thinkers, or Buganda suports Museveni for he has a plan to make Uganda
> >taken
> >over by Southerners, thus the threats of Nagadya, Love Federalism or you
> >are
> >TOST. Which means that to Buganda Museveni is a tool of conquest, for
that
> >is how Buganda developed to where she is. So who cares about the deaths
of
> >Northerners when Buganda will expand? Didn't this happen in Buyaga and
> >Bugangazzi?
> >
> >Give me a break
> >
> >Em
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Mulindwa, firstly my allusion to enron was in answer to your
> >allusion
> > > that because of one negative instance a whole system should be
> >discontinued.
> > > The American approach to corperate corruption has been to plug the
loop
> > > holes in the system, not to totally cut it, because they realise that
> >the
> > > benefits far outway the negatives unlike your approach of throwing
away
> >the
> > > baby with the bathwater. Which means by you reasoning anytime there is
a
> > > negative occurance in our systems we should scrap it and start
something
> > > else from scratch. Well if we are to go by that reasoning then we will
> >never
> > > develope as a country because part of developing is making mistakes
and
> > > learning from them. This is where Africa has failed woefully as can be
> >seen
> > > from your reasoning.
> > >
> > > Further more whether you like it or not tax collection and allocation
> >must
> > > be part of the discussions on federalism and there is nothing wrong
with
> > > that. Infact this one of the key issues around any system of
government
> > > (Unitary of Federal) which if not amikably resolved can lead to a lot
of
> > > problems. You bring up a lot of diversionary issues which are not
really
> > > important, they only serve to disunite Ugandans (the usual scare
> > > tactics...preaching doom doom doom, which never comes). Supposing
> >tomorrow
> > > large quantities of oil were found in Acholi land and most of
government
> > > revenue was obtained from those resources, do you think the people
> >Acholi
> > > (and rightly so) will not ask for a re-evaluation of the tax
> > > collection/allocation regime of the day? Have you been following the
> > > situation in Nigeria and the plight of the Niger/delta people of that
> > > region? and all the killing and mayhem that is going on there, well it
> >is
> > > all emanating from Tax collection/allocation problems. So let's not
> >decieve
> > > ourselves that it is not important. It maybe a difficult one to
resolve
> >but
> > > resolve it we must.
> > >
> > > ...and yes the political system we choose determines who we get to
> >leader
> > > us. In my opinion you are putting the cart before the horse. You seem
to
> >be
> > > suggesting that Uganda is condemed to relying on the good will of her
> > > leaders instead of us as a nation puting in place a system that
ensures
> >that
> > > whoever we get as a leader will be forced by the system of the day not
> >go
> > > beyond certain boundaries. In other words a good system should come
with
> >the
> > > appropriate checks and balances that curtail excesses of the leader of
> >the
> > > day. This is why developed countries are developed, they are run by
> >systems
> > > which are self monitoring and have all the checks needed but even then
> >they
> > > have to be refined and perfected all the time so as to prevent and/or
> >fix
> > > loop holes, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOTAL PERFECTION.
> > >
> > > I have said this and i will say it again, as much as we all sympathize
> >with
> > > our brothers and sisters in the north and for that manner all over
> >Uganda,
> > > the show must go on, government can't stop working because a part of
the
> > > country is troubled, why because government is the people of Uganda
and
> >i
> > > particular hate it when you Mulindwa and Matek cheaply, shamelesly and
> > > cruely use the sad situation in the north of Uganda to score dirt
cheap
> > > political points. Uganda IS NOT AT A STANDSTILL. Let us not give Kony
> >and
> > > his thugs more credit then they deserve unless of course you are for
> >them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:52:35 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Mwaami Musaazi
> > > >
> > > >Has it occurred to you that a good number of Ugandans are so
oppressed
> >in
> > > >their own country today that they do not even care whether it is
> >federalism
> > > >or uniterism or KY or Movement? Has it occurred to you that all they
> >want
> > > >is
> > > >a right to sleep in their homes?
> > > >Secondly I want you to look very carefully at Nagadya's posting, it
is
> >the
> > > >usual complaint. I posted a good number of things we as Baganda must
> >look
> > > >at
> > > >if we are to move our Kingdom from the 1500 to 2003. I pointed out
the
> > > >moving of the Buganda leadership to Bamunanika, I mentioned the
putting
> > > >Buganda buildings on rent than using them as slams in the city, I
> >talked
> > > >Sheraton using Bulange , I talked about the enormous land in
Bamunanika
> > > >where we can expand the kingdom. Did Nagadya comment on any of those?
> >No
> > > >for
> > > >not only her self but any other Muganda does not want to talk about
> >them
> > > >for
> > > >then Buganda will have started to have critical thinkers. But she
went
> >for
> > > >taxes. Exactly that is what she can throw in the bowl. You see it is
> >very
> > > >wrong for us to think that this Kingdom will survive for all of us
> >kneel
> > > >for
> > > >the king. We must start to think as if we are in 2003 and Nagadya can
> >not.
> > > >
> > > >What Nagadya can do is to tell you that in Texas they collect taxes,
> >you
> > > >are
> > > >as well giving me an example of Enron so if we have corruption in the
> > > >Americas why should we bother if it is in Uganda. Well Iddi Amin used
> >to
> > > >say
> > > >that why do you complain when one person is shot in Kampala, have you
> >eve
> > > >been in Detroit? It is interesting that you decided to down play my
> > > >reasoning using an analogy of an illiterate man.
> > > >
> > > >But let me then ask you this only question. Texas collects taxes, but
> >Texas
> > > >creates jobs, and as state they decide on how much to tax depending
on
> >how
> > > >many jobs created. They use the same numbers to lower or totally
remove
> >the
> > > >same. Can you Mwaami Musaazi and Mukyaala Nagaddya tell me how many
of
> >your
> > > >relatives are employed, thanks to Mengo job creation? Or you are
going
> >to
> > > >tax our containers we sent to Uganda and graduated tax just as all
old
> > > >gover
> > > >nments have been doing? Or you want us as Ugandans allow you collect
> >our
> > > >taxes and in the end you will create the jobs? How exactly is this
> >going
> >to
> > > >work?
> > > >
> > > >I have stated before and I will state again, Uganda's problem is
> >neither
> > > >uniterism nor Federalism, it is neither UPC nor DP, it is neither UPM
> >nor
> > > >KY. Uganda's problem is LEADERSHIP. We need to create a system where
> >all
> > > >the
> > > >above modalities can work. If you remove Amin from power for he puts
> >people
> > > >on Kalitunsi and shoots them, you end up with the movement which
shoots
> > > >them
> > > >with out trial. What is better? Stop blaming uniterism and ask your
> >self
> > > >one
> > > >question do I have a system in Uganda?
> > > >
> > > >That might be a little complicated for you to answer though for you
are
> >not
> > > >a critical thinker.
> > > >
> > > >Em
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:42 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > But Mulindwa, past errors should not stop us from moving forward.
> >You
> > > >talk
> > > > > about accountability in the US what about the ERON case and other
on
> > > >going
> > > > > corperate scandals which are unfolded are you suggesting that
> >because
> >of
> > > > > those problems, corperate America should be shut down. All systems
> >be
> > > >they
> > > > > in Uganda or America are run by human beings and i'm yet to see or
> >hear
> > > >of
> > > >a
> > > > > human run system that is 100% perfect. Look i would like to one
day
> >go
> > > >to
> > > > > west nile, Acholi, Langi etc and see developments of the scale or
> >even
> > > > > greater than what is found in Kampala or Buganda and probably even
> >own
> >a
> > > > > home there, i think your plan ties people down into an inferiority
> > > >complex
> > > > > where non-Baganda feel they can not prosper anywhere else but in
> > > >Buganda,
> > > >a
> > > > > good government should encourage development in every part of the
> > > >country
> > > > > and i think that is what Mary is talking about.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please don't view every proposal different from yours as
politically
> > > > > motivated, try to objectively analyze the LONG TERM MERITS to our
> > > >country.
> > > > > Federalism has long term benefits to Uganda and the people who
> >actually
> > > > > stand to benefit most are non-Baganda. The problem is as i have
said
> > > >before
> > > > > most of the other groups are concentrating on what Buganda is
> >proposing
> > > > > instead of coming up with there own views and ideas and this is
> >where
> > > >they
> > > > > may lose out, remember also that Federalism is not a winner take
all
> > > >system
> > > > > it is a give and take system.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:15:47 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Mary Nagadya
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Let us tell the whole story, yes those taxes are paid on all
levels
> >in
> > > > > >America, but the levels as well have responsibilities they take
> >with
> > > >those
> > > > > >collections. My self as Mulindwa, do not feel comfortable giving
> >Mengo
> > > >my
> > > > > >taxes so that they use it to put medicines in Buganda hospitals,
> >when
> > > >they
> > > > > >can not tell me what happened to the monies that my father had
> >saved
> >in
> > > > > >Teefe Bank. And I am a Muganda. So let us not copy things from
> >other
> > > > > >nations
> > > > > >and take them for granted that they will work in Uganda, and that
> >is
> > > >the
> > > > > >error we have done over and over. Instead of you coming to
America
> >and
> > > >you
> > > > > >pick up that statement in abstract of taxes collection, go back
on
> >the
> > > > > >drawing board and post on Uganda net what the Americans did
before
> >they
> > > >got
> > > > > >those responsibility/ies. Americans built a system, and it is a
> >huge
> > > >and
> > > > > >functioning system, they have accountability, you can not loot
> >money
> > > >from
> > > >a
> > > > > >State Bank and walk free, tell me one person in Buganda who was
> >held
> > > > > >accountable for the failure of Teefe Bank? Let me lower the
level
> >of
> > > >my
> > > > > >question, do you know him or her? Where is he or her? And that is
> >the
> > > >same
> > > > > >cramped up face you are going to bring in to work on my taxes
paid
> >in
> > > > > >Buganda? No I am sorry. That is how screwed is the process being
> >thrown
> > > > > >into
> > > > > >our throats of federalism. For it states, if you give Buganda an
> > > >autonomy
> > > > > >of
> > > > > >some kind Buganda will become accountable. That is Bull and you
and
> >I
> > > >know
> > > > > >it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Many Ugandans have for example come into these nations and asked
> >for
> >a
> > > > > >simple thing credit card, many have asked huge limits on them,
> >Nagadya
> > > > > >what
> > > > > >percentage of Ugandans still have those credits in your own city?
> >And
> >I
> > > >do
> > > > > >not know where you live. Oh let me give you another one, in all
> >your
> > > > > >Ugandan
> > > > > >friends in your city, how many do you have that if you need
50,000
> > > >dollars
> > > > > >in 15 minutes, you can call this midnight? For those are the true
> > > >Uganda
> > > > > >friends in America. You see because we come into these nations
and
> >we
> > > >think
> > > > > >that getting a credit card is a right, getting a mortgage is a
> >right,
> > > >no
> > > >it
> > > > > >is a privilege and you have to work for it, in other words you
> >start
> >by
> > > > > >getting a good income, and you do not need a credit card of
20,000
> > > >dollars
> > > > > >credit limit for the Bank will give it to you, may be you need
one
> >of
> > > >500
> > > > > >dollars. Accountability. Responsibility. We must work on the
> >basement
> > > > > >before
> > > > > >we build the house, Ugandans start building by putting in the
> >windows.
> > > >It
> > > > > >is
> > > > > >sad that this is the same way you want to build our nation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >But here is another good one, you state " There is a simple
> >solution
> >if
> > > >you
> > > > > >do not want to pay particular taxes. If you are a Yankee and do
not
> > > >want
> > > >to
> > > > > >pay Texas taxes: just do NOT live in Texas or whatever other
state
> >you
> > > >find
> > > > > >offensive. The same applies to other levels of government." That
is
> >the
> > > > > >very
> > > > > >reason why Ugandans will fight this kind of Federalism, Ugandans
> > > >especially
> > > > > >non Baganda have invested more money in Buganda than Baganda, and
> >you
> > > >want
> > > > > >to start now threatening them with these fantasies? Okay we will
> >stay
> > > >on
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >side line and watch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And those are the problems you will face over and over for you
have
> > > >refused
> > > > > >to do a proper home work, you have refused to discuss serious
> >issues
> > > >for
> > > > > >you
> > > > > >have one weapon you are using as "Shock and awe" You all hate
> >Buganda.
> > > > > >Marry
> > > > > >Nagaddya it will hunt you at the end of the day. A good example
is
> >the
> > > > > >native Indians, can you tell me which reserve in America collects
> >taxes
> > > >and
> > > > > >is developing its self using those taxes, yet they are as well in
> > > >America?
> > > > > >That can very easily happen as well in Uganda. Give Ugandans the
> >whole
> > > > > >facts
> > > > > >don't be selective.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >All well.
> > > > > >Em
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Mary Nagadya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:04 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Uganda Netters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is why I Haji Nadduli is spot on about the
> > > > > > > projects issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In America, taxes are collected at the federal, state,
> > > > > > > county, and city levels.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No one is forced to pay any of the lower taxes (here
> > > > > > > lower means sub-federal).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a simple solution if you do not want to pay
> > > > > > > particular taxes. If you are a Yankee and do not want
> > > > > > > to pay Texas taxes: just do NOT live in Texas or
> > > > > > > whatever other state you find offensive. The same
> > > > > > > applies to other levels of government.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Otherwise as long as you enjoy the services provided
> > > > > > > by a given government, you MUST pay all taxes due to
> > > > > > > that government.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This prevents the practice of mooching, which means to
> > > > > > > live off other people's sweat like a parasite.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is no free lunch in America. Can we afford to
> > > > > > > have free luch in Uganda?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is one of the advantages of federalism. It is the
> > > > > > > surest way of ensuring that every part of Uganda
> > > > > > > develops.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those who live in Buganda must pay Buganda taxes, but
> > > > > > > they are welcome to pay whatever amount they want to
> > > > > > > their home districts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > In as much as Naduli might be right or wrong, but
> > > > > > > > Buganda must and should start to think in the 21st
> > > > > > > > century. Buganda must look into investment, into job
> > > > > > > > creation, into creating tax bases. But you see it is
> > > > > > > > only comical when we complain on what we must be
> > > > > > > > given. That is why I was so amazed that I have spent
> > > > > > > > now almost three years preaching a gospel of
> > > > > > > > stopping graduated tax system in Uganda, for it is
> > > > > > > > surely the most primitive taxation one can look at.
> > > > > > > > But here I was and Buganda has put its foot down for
> > > > > > > > if it does not get taxation rights in Uganda it is
> > > > > > > > going to refuse the federalism. Where are the
> > > > > > > > critical thinkers in Buganda? Is there any nation
> > > > > > > > you know today that Uses graduated tax system for
> > > > > > > > its funds? It is primitive and it must be stopped
> > > > > > > > hence forth. But Buganda is crying for that and
> > > > > > > > today.
> > > > > > > > Then you look on another one, one of the Preachers
> > > > > > > > of Mengo sermon in the forum, last week reminded COO
> > > > > > > > that Buganda was given the Kampala tax base, which
> > > > > > > > included the Indians'buisnesses. Well but today the
> > > > > > > > Indians are no longer in Uganda, if they are there,
> > > > > > > > the tax base is not as it was, Again Buganda stop
> > > > > > > > thinking that you are still in the year 1500 this is
> > > > > > > > 2003 and moving and fast. For you can not help but
> > > > > > > > wonder, suppose NRM today gives Buganda a right to
> > > > > > > > collect tax who are they going to tax? Again my
> > > > > > > > embattled mother? And is Mengo sure that the
> > > > > > > > population will hand over the monies willingly? If
> > > > > > > > so how many Baganda are pumping money to help Mengo
> > > > > > > > today financially? The population cosmic has as well
> > > > > > > > changed, you will be amazed that today there are
> > > > > > > > more non-Baganda in Buganda, you do not believe me?
> > > > > > > > Try visiting Bweyogerere you will think that you are
> > > > > > > > in Mbaale, Are those good citizens going to pay
> > > > > > > > taxes to maintain the Buganda Kingdom? You see a
> > > > > > > > Mugisu might feel very comfortable paying his taxes
> > > > > > > > to NRM government for it is a Uganda government, but
> > > > > > > > will he pay it to run the Buganda government? Thos
> > > > > > > > are very serious questions Mengo must ask her self,
> > > > > > > > but you see we are not supposed to bring up such
> > > > > > > > questions for then, we are anti Buganda and working
> > > > > > > > for Obote who is the main employer of Ugandans these
> > > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > And I will say as I did some moths ago, we should
> > > > > > > > look at the assets, why keep the Mengo government in
> > > > > > > > Bulange, a government which does not raise any
> > > > > > > > funds. Squeezed in a national capital. Why don't we
> > > > > > > > move this government with the King to Bamunanika, we
> > > > > > > > go to Baamunanika and buy a whole land for the land
> > > > > > > > is actually available, we take our cultural leader
> > > > > > > > and vacate the Bulange and most of those Kampala
> > > > > > > > buildings. For trust me Sheraton can pay a good some
> > > > > > > > of money to Mengo if it uses that building, and it
> > > > > > > > will renovate it to the standards of the capital
> > > > > > > > city and Mengo will in the end be the winner, than
> > > > > > > > sticking with it and it is helping Kampala mice to
> > > > > > > > breed. You will one day get a strong mayor for
> > > > > > > > Kampala and he will shut it down, of what value is
> > > > > > > > that to Buganda?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Identification crisis? Yes. But uncritical thinking?
> > > > > > > > Very poisonous, just watch as time goes by.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Em
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > > > > > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > > > > > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans
> > > > > > > > l'anarchie"
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: Omar Kezimbira
> > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:48 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: ugnet_: Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nadduli Defends Land Sale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By Richard Komakech
> > > > > > > > THE Luweero district chairman has challenged
> > > > > > > > the Mengo government to devise projects that will
> > > > > > > > help the Baganda utilise their land instead of
> > > > > > > > selling it.
> > > > > > > > Haji Abdul Nadduli, commenting on the
> > > > > > > > ongoing row between the kingdom and Property
> > > > > > > > Masters, a Kampala real estate agency, said the
> > > > > > > > Baganda are trying to fight poverty through selling
> > > > > > > > their land.
> > > > > > > > "We only need to revive our economy and land
> > > > > > > > sale will stop. Property Masters is not the problem,
> > > > > > > > but are just mediators between Baganda who want to
> > > > > > > > sell their land and those who want to buy it,"
> > > > > > > > Nadduli said.
> > > > > > > > "Why won't a peasant sell his land if there
> > > > > > > > are people willing to buy it?" he said.
> > > > > > > > Nadduli said the sale was a positive move
> > > > > > > > towards decongesting urban centres of slums.
> > > > > > > > Buganda kingdom's Lukiiko (parliament) last
> > > > > > > > week banned Property Masters from advertising on the
> > > > > > > > kingdom's radio, Central Broadcasting Service (CBS).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Lukiiko said Property Masters' business
> > > > > > > > dealings are a deliberate move to deprive the
> > > > > > > > Baganda of their land.
> > > > > > > > Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi and his
> > > > > > > > katikkiro Joseph Ssemwogerere have at several
> > > > > > > > occasions attacked Property Masters over their
> > > > > > > > business.
> > > > > > > > "I cannot concur with this argument.
> > > > > > > > However, much as we cry about land sale, we can't do
> > > > > > > > much except finding gainful economic activity for
> > > > > > > > the subjects," Nadduli said.
> > > > > > > > Property Masters' boss, Peter Kasulu,
> > > > > > > > recently cut ties with CBS after Ssemwogerere
> > > > > > > > accused him of masterminding a plan to rip the
> > > > > > > > Baganda of their land.
> > > > > > > > Ends
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Published on: Monday, 29th September, 2003
> > > > > > > >
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