Lisa
But as much as I think you are right, let us not loose the fact that Adam is
a typical Ugandan, for I want you to go back and read her posting, is there
any factual sentence? Honestly is there any sentence in that posting one can
base on to respond? For she is attacking tribe/s, if I posted today that I
am a Northerner, that would have been enough for Adam Dada, that would have
solved her problem/s, to this individual being a Muganda is as crucial as
life its self, and we must not think up and above that. This is why you see
that NRM has been in power for all these years for a very simple reason,
Uganda's problem is North versus South, and nothing more. If you go back in
your deleted messages, you will find that even "Educated" Ugandans like
Mwaami Kibuuka state "Mulindwa if you stop your hate against Buganda you
will be put back to Fednet" And this nonsense has survived and will survive
untill when Museveni will destroy Buganda publicly. For in the end he will
eliminate Ssabasaja, just watch. Museveni destroys every body as soon as he
feels that he has used them enough. As we speak Buganda is loosing land left
and centre, can I mention that? No for then I will be a critical thinker.
Buganda for the first time ever, has a Katikiro appointed by the government,
is that a problem? No for then you will be anti Buganda. I just left Kampala
and the kind of prostitution I have seen in Uganda is very unbelievable, the
culture is gone, the self respect is gone, can we mention that? No for then
we will be against Buganda. But the hard facts are that in the very end,
after Museveni uses Buganda, even Ssabasajja will be thrown out, if Kategaya
can so can every body. That is why Sheik Mubajje was right.
Sheik Shaban Mubajje is a true leader, and as a Muganda I can not help but
admire the man. The Sheik, is a man who knows his responsibilities, where
they start and where they end. The biggest problem we have in Buganda today,
is ignorance. Ignorance from not only those who think they know our destiny,
but even those of us who take everything for granted. Those of us who not
only dare challenge any claim on our future but to those who as well lie
that God gave them a right to think for all of us.
The Sheik is a honourable man and a honourable Ugandan, we must as Baganda
learn from.
The time to think for us must end. The time to always inform us what must
work in Buganda must end. We must not only know where to start or to end, as
Mubajje, but for the first time, we must all raise up as Baganda to fight
the suckers. And the only way we can fight them, is by educating our Buganda
masses. Our people are very ignorant not because we were born that way, but
because we were trained that way. We were trained to be complacent. We were
grilled never to look in the face of any body we talk to. Girls were and are
still being bitten for she looks in the eyes of the person she is greeting.
This is ingrained from the age of two. A Muganda baby girl is slapped for
she opens her eyes so wide at the individual she is greeting. with that
smack, a statement follows "Okanulila abantu amaso mwaana ggwe oliba mubbi?"
Baganda girls grow up when they must look down when greeting people, but
kneel down on their knees as well. A Mukono restaurant owner, made millions
of shillings for Baganda girls in this up income hotel were kneeling down as
they were getting orders from their customers. In fact this kind of public
child abuse has been accepted for way too long that today one can come even
in a public forum and claim that Baganda girls are best. let me ask you, if
not for the natural abuse they are indoctrinated upon, what is it that
Baganda girls have, that girls in your district do not have? I have been
touchered when a very old Muganda woman, new from Uganda kneels down to
greet me in Toronto.
This submissive idiotic culture has eaten our society and we must fight it.
And I did not know how destructive to Buganda it is untill when I came
abroad. You go to Uganda and all girls and women kneel down to great you.
and they are all out of place. They are not a part of a Buganda society, and
those you see successful business or other wise are still taken as lumpens
in the Buganda society. "Eh ekiwala kya Mukasa awo emanga temuli mpisa"
But this has not only hurt Buganda women it has hurt us politically. It is
very interesting that today we are still accepting our leaders to be
unelected. And on this one I love the movement. For the return of the
Buganda kingdom, has put us in a middle of the abyss. We love our King but
we do not have the ability to decide where his powers must end.The fact that
we must be submissive, there is no single Muganda who can open his mouth to
challenge Mengo. Mengo can get out of its roll as a cultural institution and
run a political institution as well, but as Baganda we are supposed to be
submissive and we ask no questions. Mengo a cultural institution, went up
and front, led by Katikiro him self to the commission and asked for Uganda
to have federalism. That was not a cultural request it was a political one.
I failed to find one Muganda who was grown up politically to oppose that
move. As a pay back, today we have the federalists who we do not know what
agenda they have yet, selling their program through again a soft belly,
Buganda and Mengo. Federalism is meeting a great challenge in Uganda, except
in Buganda and in Mengo. For we grew up discouraged to reason and to defend
our own rights.
What we need today in Buganda, is a total revamp. We need to grow up, we
need to educate our people, we need to use the movement style, from the
grass root, we still have Baganda who believe that Sir Edward Mutesa is
still alive and in London for crying out loud. It is this ignorance why any
one comes up and sells Federalism as a solution to Uganda's problem. But he
starts again, from Buganda, after he promises us that the king will lead
Buganda in federalism. Apparently even if he does not state it that way, it
still becomes "publicly accepted". Why is every leader who comes to power in
Uganda uses us? Ever wondered?
We can not change that untill when we go back on the ground in Buganda and
teach a new lesson, for if we do not, then Kiiza Besigye a man who publicly
opposed the return of the kingdom in Buganda will start his campaign by
promising that he will be good to Buganda. As Baganda we must start to be
critical and ask kiiza Besigye the names of which Ugandans he will be
against.
Sheik Mubajje knows where he is coming from, Buganda must follow the same
path or we will end up burying the skulls and those from Ankole will say
"Mister itwe Twarire twatunga obwogyerero.
I am out of here
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> Hullo,
>
> Whose grandmother named him that you all doubt that his name is Edward
> Milindwa? That is proof of NRA/M confusion in deception that they think
> everyone go by lies and deception like them!!!!
>
> Own up
>
> Toro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam Dada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
>
>
> > "Mulindwa" - Come on, own up - is your true name really Mulindwa?????
Why
> > shun your roots mate? No good at all. Come out in the open, say who you
> are
> > exactly and defend your kin and keith with a clear conscious that you
are
> > not concealing your true identity and that you've denounced and
apologised
> > for the Ganda disguise and impersonation so as to conviniently malign
the
> > Baganda. Unless and until you do that and continue to call yourself
> > "Mulindwa", your wild claim to being upright will remain just that - a
> wild
> > claim, and those of us who know you shall continue to hold you in utter
> > contempt. Your kin, on the other hand, will never forgive you for the
> > failure to positively aknowledge your roots and join them in an open
> > struggle in your true identity.
> > Dada
> >
> >
> > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> > >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:57:48 -0500
> > >
> > >Kironde
> > >
> > >I am just wondering, why did you think that this might be Mulindwa? And
> the
> > >only reason I am asking such a question, is that you as a man who has
> been
> > >in this forum for years you would know that I am a person who never
post
> > >any thing under fake names for I post it for I believe in it. I post it
> for
> > >I will defend it. I post it for if it will be wrong I will take the
> blame.
> > >But most of all I post it for I do not follow the wind, like today UPC
is
> > >in power so I am pro UPC, Museveni is in power, so I am a Movememntist,
> out
> > >of the blue I am pro North. That is why I always use my real name,
Edward
> > >Mulindwa, for if I was such an opportunistic, I would have used fake
> names
> > >like Kasangwawo or even Mitayo Potosi for that matter. Kironde ask me
do
> > >not bother with IP address.
> > >
> > >Again as Usual
> > >Edward Mulindwa
> > >Toronto
> > >
> > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ed Kironde
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:38 AM
> > > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! -
The
> > >role of Federalism
> > >
> > >
> > > Ocham Otim
> > >
> > > In addition to your observation, when you do a trecert of the IP
> > >address, the moderator is a subscriber to British Telcom - and uses a
> > >dial-up connection since the last octet keeps on changing. One of the
> > >names that came out though, was Joram, who claimed to be from Kabale
when
> > >he signed the UPDF Ironfist guest book and put a link to this anarchism
> > >thing. Signed with a Swahili phrase Tutatawatuliyha! Other threads
lead
> > >you to the forum of Radio Rhino to which Edward Mulindwa is an ardent
> > >contributor. First I thought it was Mulindwa's baby, but the first
octet
> > >of his IP parent net look.ca normally starts with 216. - later guys!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > >Of Ochan Otim
> > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The
> role
> > >of Federalism
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rehema:
> > >
> > > I am not sure about the ownership of the web site you provided. I
> have
> > >my doubts based on two observations on visiting the site. One, there
are
> > >only 12 members as per the web address. This kind of list, as those
who
> > >are familiar with it will testify, allows all kinds of flexibility to
the
> > >creator - including stuffing its membership with bogus e-mail addresses
> to
> > >swell their ranks. Which brings me to number two: 22 of the 27
messages
> > >posted on the site since its creation appears to come from
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] the administrative address for the
group.
> > >This seems to bolster my suspicion. Is this a "one-man" show? In any
> > >case, why are some of the messages deleted (e.g. #2, 3-4, etc.)?
> > >
> > > I could be wrong (and do help me out here), but I do not know why I
> feel
> > >that buried in your interpretation of the messages on the site is the
all
> > >too familiar stereotypical generalization we have heard all to often to
> > >justify the lackluster response the whole country gave to the genocide
> > >happening in northern Uganda. However one looks at it, the "northern"
is
> > >still part of Uganda for now and Uganda must deal with the problems in
> the
> > >north.
> > >
> > > Ochan Otim
> > >
> > > At 02:09 AM 11/15/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This note is written by Rehema Mukooza. Since all of us are
struggling
> > >to find some solutions to Uganda's problems, I thought it useful to
share
> > >with everyone.
> > >
> > > >From: Rehema Mukooza
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The role of
> > >Federalism
> > > >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Fellow Federalists:
> > > >
> > > >I found this interesting discussion group on the net. Please check
it
> > >out below.
> > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ugandanarchism Are these lies or
> facts?!
> > >Okay, y'all know where I got your email addresses from [fedsnet]. Let's
> > >forget my history on fedsnet for now, I'm seriously and curiously
> > >interested in this particular issue.
> > > >
> > > >For long the LRA has been painted as a "non political visionary"
> > >rebellion, but the link above which in so many ways looks like a LRA
> rebel
> > >forum has a different story to tell. I am not a LRA rebel supporter,
I'm
> in
> > >search for knowledge and the truth in remmedy to get a clear view of
> > >understanding the rebellion. Anarchism is their political philosophy
and
> > >they will protect & fight for it no matter what it takes! For the 1st
> time
> > >I've found out that their cause is not the 10 commandments.
> > > >
> > > >Before we move so quickly onto solving the northern rebellion with
> > >federalism, let's check out how these anarchist northern federal states
> > >will function and be governed.
> > > >
> > > >Uganda Anarchists/LRA rebels said - "We believe in a system that
has
> no
> > >leadership but delegates elected and appointed by the populace.
Delegates
> > >that can be re-called at short notice when delegation is turned into
> power.
> > >A democracy that is built from the grassroot and managed by grassroot
> > >people. A system that is accountable to its people. We don't believe in
> > >national passports or national borders."
> > > >
> > > >Their message of "a democracy that is built from the grassroot and
> > >managed by the grassroot people" rings a bell of federalism.
> > > >
> > > >Their ideology of "a system that has no leadership but delegates
> > >elected and appointed by the populace. Delegates that can be re-called
at
> > >short notice when delegation is turned into power" can work within
> > >federalism by simply forming a Northern Federal State Delegates
> > >Committee-like structure from the grassroot upwards. However, how will
an
> > >anarchist region state respect the imperical superiority/leadership of
> the
> > >federal gov't of Uganda above it if it doesn't believe in
"leadership"??
> > > >
> > > >Their "We don't believe in national passports or national borders"
is
> a
> > >much advanced ideology of -no leadership- because leadership is limited
> by
> > >it's geographical boundaries and they want no part of this limitation.
> Such
> > >disbelief in national passports or national borders is a violation of
> > >international, national and state laws and not compatible with
federalism
> > >where state and national borders are clearly drawn. I now know why the
> LRA
> > >keeps its base in Sudan moving across the border back and forth -
because
> > >it doesn't believe in national borders.
> > > >
> > > >I wrote all this because I needed some answers from our federal
brain
> > >childs of Uganda. The LRA has and is proving to be resilient rebel
group
> > >which is here to stay until it's demands are up into action. We are
going
> > >to have a problem with this group even in the post-Museveni era and
under
> a
> > >possible federalism. The LRA's relactancy and non existing support of
> > >federalism can now be realized why - because federalism is NOT
anarchism!
> > >Bingo! There you go!
> > > >
> > > >The LRA's demands might look undemocratic since the populace did
not
> > >ask for it, but their demands will HAVE to be put into action, like it
or
> > >not if we are to save lives. Decisions will have to be made in
accordance
> > >to the reality (LRA) of the situation. So, whatever kind of federalism
> > >Uganda will choose, the northern region's will by force have to be
> > >different from other states/regions.
> > > >
> > > >In the mean time, the federal brain childs of Uganda give me some
> > >answers, and shapely curve up a regional practicable model for the
> northern
> > >region now before it's too late. I hate to Bugandanize federalism but
we
> > >need to put the Buganda federal talk aside [buganda will be easy to
deal
> > >with than the north] and deal/focus on the northern anarchist federal
> > >model.
> > > >
> > > >I don't wanna hear the old talk of "they [northerns] will decide
what
> > >type of federal-in-state arrangement will work for them" because this
> will
> > >be a complicated situation (no national border/passport respect and no
> > >recognition of the leadership of the Uganda State). The decision of the
> > >northern federalism will definately have to involve the Ugandan
republic
> > >not just the people of northern region.
> > > >
> > > >And if the Uganda Federal Gov't hesitates to give up some of its
> powers
> > >to anarchism, I am afraid another LRA rebellion will be in the waiting
> > >ready to happen! They don't even believe in laws imposed by legal
> > >authority, they believe that ethics are a personal matter and should be
> > >based upon others and the wellbeing of society! That explains why they
> > >mutilate people without any remorse because in their thinking 'ethics
are
> a
> > >personal matter' which depends on how individually someone interpretes
> it,
> > >and 'anarchism is what society needs for its wellbeing'. Guns can not
> > >defeat such people, we will have to fight their beliefs which are deep
> > >rooted. I don't even know how to fight their beliefs because they will
> kill
> > >any person tampering with their 'cause'.
> > > >
> > > >Uganda will HAVE to wake up from it's sleep and submit to the LRA
> > >rebel's demands. No wonder the gov't has failed to make peaceful
> ceasefire
> > >negotiations with the rebels because the gov't itself is "a hierachial
> > >economic authority 'leadership' inherently detrimental to the
> maximization
> > >of human potential" according to the LRA. Our gov't is power hungry, it
> can
> > >not give up such powers (federal or anarchist) to any region even if it
> is
> > >costing us an exstinction of groups of people.
> > > >
> > > >The LRA wants something way much more than federalism. I read some
of
> > >Mr. Oryema Johnson's postings on fedsnet about "seccession" of the
> northern
> > >region from Uganda. Oryema had some very very very important
observations
> > >and ideas which must not be ignored as non-nationalist. If the whole of
> > >Uganda and her gov't will not be able to accomodate and accept northern
> > >anarchism, there will be a NORTHERN SECCESSION by the force of you know
> > >what, the LRA gun. This is a bloody marriage with fruits of death, if
one
> > >partner can not stand/live by the rules of the other, a sensible
devorce
> is
> > >what is needed to stop the death fruits of the marriage.
> > > >
> > > >Federalists, correct me wherever I went wrong, but we need real
> > >solutions to the war in the north. Our disguise of "nationalism" is not
> > >even nationalism because any true nationalist would have solved this
> > >problem years ago and saved national lives. This so called nationalism
of
> > >Uganda is about territory/land control and not its people. This makes
> sense
> > >why the people in the north refused Salim Saleh's plans of abandoning
> their
> > >land and start cultivating in concentration camps. The Uganda gov't
does
> > >all this sh**t and expects the LRA rebels to give up any time soon??
> > > >
> > > >Any federal solution to this anarchist situation in the north??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Rehema M.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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