Kasangwawo
I did not expect you to know her, you are as always attacking people for you
think they are Northerners or Easterners, and nothing more nothing less.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> No, no. No diversions ! Just address what Mr. Dada was talking about.
>
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:17:21 -0500
> >
> >Kasangwawo
> >
> >Do you know Lisa Toro?
> >
> >Em
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:40 PM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> >
> >
> > > Mulindwa,
> > >
> > > now, what is this ? All Adam Dada asked of you was to acknowledge your
> > > roots. And what do you do ? You go into a rendition of your usual
> >criticism
> > > of anything to do with Buganda. No, let's stick to the issue. What
Dada
> >is
> > > saying is that you should give up this Ganda disguise. It does not
> >matter
> > > that you took on the name 'Mulindwa' earlier on and have used it for
> >years,
> > > therefore people over there in Toronto think its your real name. What
he
> >is
> > > saying is that you should finally acknowledge your true roots. That's
> >all.
> > >
> > > Kasangwawo
> > >
> > > PS. If you feel the need to talk about fake names you should go no
> >farther
> > > than your pal 'Lisa Toro'.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> > > >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:11:05 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Lisa
> > > >
> > > >But as much as I think you are right, let us not loose the fact that
> >Adam
> > > >is
> > > >a typical Ugandan, for I want you to go back and read her posting, is
> >there
> > > >any factual sentence? Honestly is there any sentence in that posting
> >one
> > > >can
> > > >base on to respond? For she is attacking tribe/s, if I posted today
> >that
> >I
> > > >am a Northerner, that would have been enough for Adam Dada, that
would
> >have
> > > >solved her problem/s, to this individual being a Muganda is as
crucial
> >as
> > > >life its self, and we must not think up and above that. This is why
you
> >see
> > > >that NRM has been in power for all these years for a very simple
> >reason,
> > > >Uganda's problem is North versus South, and nothing more. If you go
> >back
> >in
> > > >your deleted messages, you will find that even "Educated" Ugandans
like
> > > >Mwaami Kibuuka state "Mulindwa if you stop your hate against Buganda
> >you
> > > >will be put back to Fednet" And this nonsense has survived and will
> >survive
> > > >untill when Museveni will destroy Buganda publicly. For in the end he
> >will
> > > >eliminate Ssabasaja, just watch. Museveni destroys every body as soon
> >as
> >he
> > > >feels that he has used them enough. As we speak Buganda is loosing
land
> > > >left
> > > >and centre, can I mention that? No for then I will be a critical
> >thinker.
> > > >Buganda for the first time ever, has a Katikiro appointed by the
> > > >government,
> > > >is that a problem? No for then you will be anti Buganda. I just left
> > > >Kampala
> > > >and the kind of prostitution I have seen in Uganda is very
> >unbelievable,
> > > >the
> > > >culture is gone, the self respect is gone, can we mention that? No
for
> >then
> > > >we will be against Buganda. But the hard facts are that in the very
> >end,
> > > >after Museveni uses Buganda, even Ssabasajja will be thrown out, if
> > > >Kategaya
> > > >can so can every body. That is why Sheik Mubajje was right.
> > > >
> > > >Sheik Shaban Mubajje is a true leader, and as a Muganda I can not
help
> >but
> > > >admire the man. The Sheik, is a man who knows his responsibilities,
> >where
> > > >they start and where they end. The biggest problem we have in Buganda
> > > >today,
> > > >is ignorance. Ignorance from not only those who think they know our
> > > >destiny,
> > > >but even those of us who take everything for granted. Those of us who
> >not
> > > >only dare challenge any claim on our future but to those who as well
> >lie
> > > >that God gave them a right to think for all of us.
> > > >The Sheik is a honourable man and a honourable Ugandan, we must as
> >Baganda
> > > >learn from.
> > > >
> > > >The time to think for us must end. The time to always inform us what
> >must
> > > >work in Buganda must end. We must not only know where to start or to
> >end,
> > > >as
> > > >Mubajje, but for the first time, we must all raise up as Baganda to
> >fight
> > > >the suckers. And the only way we can fight them, is by educating our
> > > >Buganda
> > > >masses. Our people are very ignorant not because we were born that
way,
> >but
> > > >because we were trained that way. We were trained to be complacent.
We
> >were
> > > >grilled never to look in the face of any body we talk to. Girls were
> >and
> > > >are
> > > >still being bitten for she looks in the eyes of the person she is
> >greeting.
> > > >This is ingrained from the age of two. A Muganda baby girl is slapped
> >for
> > > >she opens her eyes so wide at the individual she is greeting. with
that
> > > >smack, a statement follows "Okanulila abantu amaso mwaana ggwe oliba
> > > >mubbi?"
> > > >Baganda girls grow up when they must look down when greeting people,
> >but
> > > >kneel down on their knees as well. A Mukono restaurant owner, made
> >millions
> > > >of shillings for Baganda girls in this up income hotel were kneeling
> >down
> > > >as
> > > >they were getting orders from their customers. In fact this kind of
> >public
> > > >child abuse has been accepted for way too long that today one can
come
> >even
> > > >in a public forum and claim that Baganda girls are best. let me ask
> >you,
> >if
> > > >not for the natural abuse they are indoctrinated upon, what is it
that
> > > >Baganda girls have, that girls in your district do not have? I have
> >been
> > > >touchered when a very old Muganda woman, new from Uganda kneels down
to
> > > >greet me in Toronto.
> > > >
> > > >This submissive idiotic culture has eaten our society and we must
fight
> >it.
> > > >And I did not know how destructive to Buganda it is untill when I
came
> > > >abroad. You go to Uganda and all girls and women kneel down to great
> >you.
> > > >and they are all out of place. They are not a part of a Buganda
> >society,
> > > >and
> > > >those you see successful business or other wise are still taken as
> >lumpens
> > > >in the Buganda society. "Eh ekiwala kya Mukasa awo emanga temuli
mpisa"
> > > >
> > > >But this has not only hurt Buganda women it has hurt us politically.
It
> >is
> > > >very interesting that today we are still accepting our leaders to be
> > > >unelected. And on this one I love the movement. For the return of the
> > > >Buganda kingdom, has put us in a middle of the abyss. We love our
King
> >but
> > > >we do not have the ability to decide where his powers must end.The
fact
> > > >that
> > > >we must be submissive, there is no single Muganda who can open his
> >mouth
> >to
> > > >challenge Mengo. Mengo can get out of its roll as a cultural
> >institution
> > > >and
> > > >run a political institution as well, but as Baganda we are supposed
to
> >be
> > > >submissive and we ask no questions. Mengo a cultural institution,
went
> >up
> > > >and front, led by Katikiro him self to the commission and asked for
> >Uganda
> > > >to have federalism. That was not a cultural request it was a
political
> >one.
> > > >I failed to find one Muganda who was grown up politically to oppose
> >that
> > > >move. As a pay back, today we have the federalists who we do not know
> >what
> > > >agenda they have yet, selling their program through again a soft
belly,
> > > >Buganda and Mengo. Federalism is meeting a great challenge in Uganda,
> > > >except
> > > >in Buganda and in Mengo. For we grew up discouraged to reason and to
> >defend
> > > >our own rights.
> > > >
> > > >What we need today in Buganda, is a total revamp. We need to grow up,
> >we
> > > >need to educate our people, we need to use the movement style, from
the
> > > >grass root, we still have Baganda who believe that Sir Edward Mutesa
is
> > > >still alive and in London for crying out loud. It is this ignorance
why
> >any
> > > >one comes up and sells Federalism as a solution to Uganda's problem.
> >But
> >he
> > > >starts again, from Buganda, after he promises us that the king will
> >lead
> > > >Buganda in federalism. Apparently even if he does not state it that
> >way,
> >it
> > > >still becomes "publicly accepted". Why is every leader who comes to
> >power
> > > >in
> > > >Uganda uses us? Ever wondered?
> > > >
> > > >We can not change that untill when we go back on the ground in
Buganda
> >and
> > > >teach a new lesson, for if we do not, then Kiiza Besigye a man who
> >publicly
> > > >opposed the return of the kingdom in Buganda will start his campaign
by
> > > >promising that he will be good to Buganda. As Baganda we must start
to
> >be
> > > >critical and ask kiiza Besigye the names of which Ugandans he will be
> > > >against.
> > > >
> > > >Sheik Mubajje knows where he is coming from, Buganda must follow the
> >same
> > > >path or we will end up burying the skulls and those from Ankole will
> >say
> > > >"Mister itwe Twarire twatunga obwogyerero.
> > > >
> > > >I am out of here
> > > >
> > > >Em
> > > >
> > > >Toronto
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:36 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hullo,
> > > > >
> > > > > Whose grandmother named him that you all doubt that his name is
> >Edward
> > > > > Milindwa? That is proof of NRA/M confusion in deception that they
> >think
> > > > > everyone go by lies and deception like them!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Own up
> > > > >
> > > > > Toro
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Adam Dada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:51 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Mulindwa" - Come on, own up - is your true name really
> >Mulindwa?????
> > > >Why
> > > > > > shun your roots mate? No good at all. Come out in the open, say
> >who
> > > >you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > exactly and defend your kin and keith with a clear conscious
that
> >you
> > > >are
> > > > > > not concealing your true identity and that you've denounced and
> > > >apologised
> > > > > > for the Ganda disguise and impersonation so as to conviniently
> >malign
> > > >the
> > > > > > Baganda. Unless and until you do that and continue to call
> >yourself
> > > > > > "Mulindwa", your wild claim to being upright will remain just
that
> >-
> >a
> > > > > wild
> > > > > > claim, and those of us who know you shall continue to hold you
in
> > > >utter
> > > > > > contempt. Your kin, on the other hand, will never forgive you
for
> >the
> > > > > > failure to positively aknowledge your roots and join them in an
> >open
> > > > > > struggle in your true identity.
> > > > > > Dada
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Subject: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:57:48 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Kironde
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I am just wondering, why did you think that this might be
> >Mulindwa?
> > > >And
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >only reason I am asking such a question, is that you as a man
who
> >has
> > > > > been
> > > > > > >in this forum for years you would know that I am a person who
> >never
> > > >post
> > > > > > >any thing under fake names for I post it for I believe in it. I
> >post
> > > >it
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >I will defend it. I post it for if it will be wrong I will take
> >the
> > > > > blame.
> > > > > > >But most of all I post it for I do not follow the wind, like
> >today
> > > >UPC
> > > >is
> > > > > > >in power so I am pro UPC, Museveni is in power, so I am a
> > > >Movememntist,
> > > > > out
> > > > > > >of the blue I am pro North. That is why I always use my real
> >name,
> > > >Edward
> > > > > > >Mulindwa, for if I was such an opportunistic, I would have used
> >fake
> > > > > names
> > > > > > >like Kasangwawo or even Mitayo Potosi for that matter. Kironde
> >ask
> >me
> > > >do
> > > > > > >not bother with IP address.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Again as Usual
> > > > > > >Edward Mulindwa
> > > > > > >Toronto
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > > > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Ed Kironde
> > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:38 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or
> >alive! -
> > > >The
> > > > > > >role of Federalism
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ocham Otim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In addition to your observation, when you do a trecert of
the
> >IP
> > > > > > >address, the moderator is a subscriber to British Telcom - and
> >uses
> >a
> > > > > > >dial-up connection since the last octet keeps on changing. One
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > > > >names that came out though, was Joram, who claimed to be from
> >Kabale
> > > >when
> > > > > > >he signed the UPDF Ironfist guest book and put a link to this
> > > >anarchism
> > > > > > >thing. Signed with a Swahili phrase Tutatawatuliyha! Other
> >threads
> > > >lead
> > > > > > >you to the forum of Radio Rhino to which Edward Mulindwa is an
> >ardent
> > > > > > >contributor. First I thought it was Mulindwa's baby, but the
> >first
> > > >octet
> > > > > > >of his IP parent net look.ca normally starts with 216. - later
> >guys!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > >Of Ochan Otim
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 PM
> > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or
alive! -
> >The
> > > > > role
> > > > > > >of Federalism
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rehema:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not sure about the ownership of the web site you
> >provided.
> >I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > >my doubts based on two observations on visiting the site. One,
> >there
> > > >are
> > > > > > >only 12 members as per the web address. This kind of list, as
> >those
> > > >who
> > > > > > >are familiar with it will testify, allows all kinds of
> >flexibility
> >to
> > > >the
> > > > > > >creator - including stuffing its membership with bogus e-mail
> > > >addresses
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >swell their ranks. Which brings me to number two: 22 of the 27
> > > >messages
> > > > > > >posted on the site since its creation appears to come from
> > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] the administrative address for
the
> > > >group.
> > > > > > >This seems to bolster my suspicion. Is this a "one-man" show?
> >In
> > > >any
> > > > > > >case, why are some of the messages deleted (e.g. #2, 3-4,
etc.)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I could be wrong (and do help me out here), but I do not
know
> >why
> > > >I
> > > > > feel
> > > > > > >that buried in your interpretation of the messages on the site
is
> >the
> > > >all
> > > > > > >too familiar stereotypical generalization we have heard all to
> >often
> > > >to
> > > > > > >justify the lackluster response the whole country gave to the
> > > >genocide
> > > > > > >happening in northern Uganda. However one looks at it, the
> > > >"northern"
> > > >is
> > > > > > >still part of Uganda for now and Uganda must deal with the
> >problems
> > > >in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >north.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ochan Otim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 02:09 AM 11/15/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This note is written by Rehema Mukooza. Since all of us are
> > > >struggling
> > > > > > >to find some solutions to Uganda's problems, I thought it
useful
> >to
> > > >share
> > > > > > >with everyone.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Rehema Mukooza
> > > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >Subject: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The role
of
> > > > > > >Federalism
> > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0800 (PST)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Fellow Federalists:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I found this interesting discussion group on the net.
Please
> > > >check
> > > >it
> > > > > > >out below.
> > > > > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ugandanarchism Are these lies
> >or
> > > > > facts?!
> > > > > > >Okay, y'all know where I got your email addresses from
[fedsnet].
> > > >Let's
> > > > > > >forget my history on fedsnet for now, I'm seriously and
curiously
> > > > > > >interested in this particular issue.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >For long the LRA has been painted as a "non political
> >visionary"
> > > > > > >rebellion, but the link above which in so many ways looks like
a
> >LRA
> > > > > rebel
> > > > > > >forum has a different story to tell. I am not a LRA rebel
> >supporter,
> > > >I'm
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >search for knowledge and the truth in remmedy to get a clear
view
> >of
> > > > > > >understanding the rebellion. Anarchism is their political
> >philosophy
> > > >and
> > > > > > >they will protect & fight for it no matter what it takes! For
the
> >1st
> > > > > time
> > > > > > >I've found out that their cause is not the 10 commandments.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Before we move so quickly onto solving the northern
rebellion
> > > >with
> > > > > > >federalism, let's check out how these anarchist northern
federal
> > > >states
> > > > > > >will function and be governed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Uganda Anarchists/LRA rebels said - "We believe in a system
> >that
> > > >has
> > > > > no
> > > > > > >leadership but delegates elected and appointed by the populace.
> > > >Delegates
> > > > > > >that can be re-called at short notice when delegation is turned
> >into
> > > > > power.
> > > > > > >A democracy that is built from the grassroot and managed by
> >grassroot
> > > > > > >people. A system that is accountable to its people. We don't
> >believe
> > > >in
> > > > > > >national passports or national borders."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Their message of "a democracy that is built from the
> >grassroot
> > > >and
> > > > > > >managed by the grassroot people" rings a bell of federalism.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Their ideology of "a system that has no leadership but
> >delegates
> > > > > > >elected and appointed by the populace. Delegates that can be
> > > >re-called
> > > >at
> > > > > > >short notice when delegation is turned into power" can work
> >within
> > > > > > >federalism by simply forming a Northern Federal State Delegates
> > > > > > >Committee-like structure from the grassroot upwards. However,
how
> > > >will
> > > >an
> > > > > > >anarchist region state respect the imperical
> >superiority/leadership
> > > >of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >federal gov't of Uganda above it if it doesn't believe in
> > > >"leadership"??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Their "We don't believe in national passports or national
> > > >borders"
> > > >is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >much advanced ideology of -no leadership- because leadership is
> > > >limited
> > > > > by
> > > > > > >it's geographical boundaries and they want no part of this
> > > >limitation.
> > > > > Such
> > > > > > >disbelief in national passports or national borders is a
> >violation
> >of
> > > > > > >international, national and state laws and not compatible with
> > > >federalism
> > > > > > >where state and national borders are clearly drawn. I now know
> >why
> > > >the
> > > > > LRA
> > > > > > >keeps its base in Sudan moving across the border back and
forth -
> > > >because
> > > > > > >it doesn't believe in national borders.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I wrote all this because I needed some answers from our
> >federal
> > > >brain
> > > > > > >childs of Uganda. The LRA has and is proving to be resilient
> >rebel
> > > >group
> > > > > > >which is here to stay until it's demands are up into action. We
> >are
> > > >going
> > > > > > >to have a problem with this group even in the post-Museveni era
> >and
> > > >under
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >possible federalism. The LRA's relactancy and non existing
> >support
> >of
> > > > > > >federalism can now be realized why - because federalism is NOT
> > > >anarchism!
> > > > > > >Bingo! There you go!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The LRA's demands might look undemocratic since the
populace
> >did
> > > >not
> > > > > > >ask for it, but their demands will HAVE to be put into action,
> >like
> > > >it
> > > >or
> > > > > > >not if we are to save lives. Decisions will have to be made in
> > > >accordance
> > > > > > >to the reality (LRA) of the situation. So, whatever kind of
> > > >federalism
> > > > > > >Uganda will choose, the northern region's will by force have to
> >be
> > > > > > >different from other states/regions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >In the mean time, the federal brain childs of Uganda give
me
> >some
> > > > > > >answers, and shapely curve up a regional practicable model for
> >the
> > > > > northern
> > > > > > >region now before it's too late. I hate to Bugandanize
federalism
> >but
> > > >we
> > > > > > >need to put the Buganda federal talk aside [buganda will be
easy
> >to
> > > >deal
> > > > > > >with than the north] and deal/focus on the northern anarchist
> >federal
> > > > > > >model.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I don't wanna hear the old talk of "they [northerns] will
> >decide
> > > >what
> > > > > > >type of federal-in-state arrangement will work for them"
because
> >this
> > > > > will
> > > > > > >be a complicated situation (no national border/passport respect
> >and
> > > >no
> > > > > > >recognition of the leadership of the Uganda State). The
decision
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > > > >northern federalism will definately have to involve the Ugandan
> > > >republic
> > > > > > >not just the people of northern region.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >And if the Uganda Federal Gov't hesitates to give up some
of
> >its
> > > > > powers
> > > > > > >to anarchism, I am afraid another LRA rebellion will be in the
> > > >waiting
> > > > > > >ready to happen! They don't even believe in laws imposed by
legal
> > > > > > >authority, they believe that ethics are a personal matter and
> >should
> > > >be
> > > > > > >based upon others and the wellbeing of society! That explains
why
> > > >they
> > > > > > >mutilate people without any remorse because in their thinking
> >'ethics
> > > >are
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >personal matter' which depends on how individually someone
> > > >interpretes
> > > > > it,
> > > > > > >and 'anarchism is what society needs for its wellbeing'. Guns
can
> >not
> > > > > > >defeat such people, we will have to fight their beliefs which
are
> > > >deep
> > > > > > >rooted. I don't even know how to fight their beliefs because
they
> > > >will
> > > > > kill
> > > > > > >any person tampering with their 'cause'.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Uganda will HAVE to wake up from it's sleep and submit to
the
> >LRA
> > > > > > >rebel's demands. No wonder the gov't has failed to make
peaceful
> > > > > ceasefire
> > > > > > >negotiations with the rebels because the gov't itself is "a
> > > >hierachial
> > > > > > >economic authority 'leadership' inherently detrimental to the
> > > > > maximization
> > > > > > >of human potential" according to the LRA. Our gov't is power
> >hungry,
> > > >it
> > > > > can
> > > > > > >not give up such powers (federal or anarchist) to any region
even
> >if
> > > >it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >costing us an exstinction of groups of people.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The LRA wants something way much more than federalism. I
read
> > > >some
> > > >of
> > > > > > >Mr. Oryema Johnson's postings on fedsnet about "seccession" of
> >the
> > > > > northern
> > > > > > >region from Uganda. Oryema had some very very very important
> > > >observations
> > > > > > >and ideas which must not be ignored as non-nationalist. If the
> >whole
> > > >of
> > > > > > >Uganda and her gov't will not be able to accomodate and accept
> > > >northern
> > > > > > >anarchism, there will be a NORTHERN SECCESSION by the force of
> >you
> > > >know
> > > > > > >what, the LRA gun. This is a bloody marriage with fruits of
> >death,
> >if
> > > >one
> > > > > > >partner can not stand/live by the rules of the other, a
sensible
> > > >devorce
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >what is needed to stop the death fruits of the marriage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Federalists, correct me wherever I went wrong, but we need
> >real
> > > > > > >solutions to the war in the north. Our disguise of
"nationalism"
> >is
> > > >not
> > > > > > >even nationalism because any true nationalist would have solved
> >this
> > > > > > >problem years ago and saved national lives. This so called
> > > >nationalism
> > > >of
> > > > > > >Uganda is about territory/land control and not its people. This
> >makes
> > > > > sense
> > > > > > >why the people in the north refused Salim Saleh's plans of
> >abandoning
> > > > > their
> > > > > > >land and start cultivating in concentration camps. The Uganda
> >gov't
> > > >does
> > > > > > >all this sh**t and expects the LRA rebels to give up any time
> >soon??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Any federal solution to this anarchist situation in the
> >north??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Rehema M.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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