From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:17:21 -0500
Kasangwawo
Do you know Lisa Toro?
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> Mulindwa,
>
> now, what is this ? All Adam Dada asked of you was to acknowledge your
> roots. And what do you do ? You go into a rendition of your usual
criticism
> of anything to do with Buganda. No, let's stick to the issue. What Dada is
> saying is that you should give up this Ganda disguise. It does not matter
> that you took on the name 'Mulindwa' earlier on and have used it for
years,
> therefore people over there in Toronto think its your real name. What he
is
> saying is that you should finally acknowledge your true roots. That's all.
>
> Kasangwawo
>
> PS. If you feel the need to talk about fake names you should go no farther
> than your pal 'Lisa Toro'.
>
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> >Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:11:05 -0500
> >
> >Lisa
> >
> >But as much as I think you are right, let us not loose the fact that Adam
> >is
> >a typical Ugandan, for I want you to go back and read her posting, is
there
> >any factual sentence? Honestly is there any sentence in that posting one
> >can
> >base on to respond? For she is attacking tribe/s, if I posted today that
I
> >am a Northerner, that would have been enough for Adam Dada, that would
have
> >solved her problem/s, to this individual being a Muganda is as crucial as
> >life its self, and we must not think up and above that. This is why you
see
> >that NRM has been in power for all these years for a very simple reason,
> >Uganda's problem is North versus South, and nothing more. If you go back
in
> >your deleted messages, you will find that even "Educated" Ugandans like
> >Mwaami Kibuuka state "Mulindwa if you stop your hate against Buganda you
> >will be put back to Fednet" And this nonsense has survived and will
survive
> >untill when Museveni will destroy Buganda publicly. For in the end he
will
> >eliminate Ssabasaja, just watch. Museveni destroys every body as soon as
he
> >feels that he has used them enough. As we speak Buganda is loosing land
> >left
> >and centre, can I mention that? No for then I will be a critical thinker.
> >Buganda for the first time ever, has a Katikiro appointed by the
> >government,
> >is that a problem? No for then you will be anti Buganda. I just left
> >Kampala
> >and the kind of prostitution I have seen in Uganda is very unbelievable,
> >the
> >culture is gone, the self respect is gone, can we mention that? No for
then
> >we will be against Buganda. But the hard facts are that in the very end,
> >after Museveni uses Buganda, even Ssabasajja will be thrown out, if
> >Kategaya
> >can so can every body. That is why Sheik Mubajje was right.
> >
> >Sheik Shaban Mubajje is a true leader, and as a Muganda I can not help
but
> >admire the man. The Sheik, is a man who knows his responsibilities, where
> >they start and where they end. The biggest problem we have in Buganda
> >today,
> >is ignorance. Ignorance from not only those who think they know our
> >destiny,
> >but even those of us who take everything for granted. Those of us who not
> >only dare challenge any claim on our future but to those who as well lie
> >that God gave them a right to think for all of us.
> >The Sheik is a honourable man and a honourable Ugandan, we must as
Baganda
> >learn from.
> >
> >The time to think for us must end. The time to always inform us what must
> >work in Buganda must end. We must not only know where to start or to end,
> >as
> >Mubajje, but for the first time, we must all raise up as Baganda to fight
> >the suckers. And the only way we can fight them, is by educating our
> >Buganda
> >masses. Our people are very ignorant not because we were born that way,
but
> >because we were trained that way. We were trained to be complacent. We
were
> >grilled never to look in the face of any body we talk to. Girls were and
> >are
> >still being bitten for she looks in the eyes of the person she is
greeting.
> >This is ingrained from the age of two. A Muganda baby girl is slapped for
> >she opens her eyes so wide at the individual she is greeting. with that
> >smack, a statement follows "Okanulila abantu amaso mwaana ggwe oliba
> >mubbi?"
> >Baganda girls grow up when they must look down when greeting people, but
> >kneel down on their knees as well. A Mukono restaurant owner, made
millions
> >of shillings for Baganda girls in this up income hotel were kneeling down
> >as
> >they were getting orders from their customers. In fact this kind of
public
> >child abuse has been accepted for way too long that today one can come
even
> >in a public forum and claim that Baganda girls are best. let me ask you,
if
> >not for the natural abuse they are indoctrinated upon, what is it that
> >Baganda girls have, that girls in your district do not have? I have been
> >touchered when a very old Muganda woman, new from Uganda kneels down to
> >greet me in Toronto.
> >
> >This submissive idiotic culture has eaten our society and we must fight
it.
> >And I did not know how destructive to Buganda it is untill when I came
> >abroad. You go to Uganda and all girls and women kneel down to great you.
> >and they are all out of place. They are not a part of a Buganda society,
> >and
> >those you see successful business or other wise are still taken as
lumpens
> >in the Buganda society. "Eh ekiwala kya Mukasa awo emanga temuli mpisa"
> >
> >But this has not only hurt Buganda women it has hurt us politically. It
is
> >very interesting that today we are still accepting our leaders to be
> >unelected. And on this one I love the movement. For the return of the
> >Buganda kingdom, has put us in a middle of the abyss. We love our King
but
> >we do not have the ability to decide where his powers must end.The fact
> >that
> >we must be submissive, there is no single Muganda who can open his mouth
to
> >challenge Mengo. Mengo can get out of its roll as a cultural institution
> >and
> >run a political institution as well, but as Baganda we are supposed to be
> >submissive and we ask no questions. Mengo a cultural institution, went up
> >and front, led by Katikiro him self to the commission and asked for
Uganda
> >to have federalism. That was not a cultural request it was a political
one.
> >I failed to find one Muganda who was grown up politically to oppose that
> >move. As a pay back, today we have the federalists who we do not know
what
> >agenda they have yet, selling their program through again a soft belly,
> >Buganda and Mengo. Federalism is meeting a great challenge in Uganda,
> >except
> >in Buganda and in Mengo. For we grew up discouraged to reason and to
defend
> >our own rights.
> >
> >What we need today in Buganda, is a total revamp. We need to grow up, we
> >need to educate our people, we need to use the movement style, from the
> >grass root, we still have Baganda who believe that Sir Edward Mutesa is
> >still alive and in London for crying out loud. It is this ignorance why
any
> >one comes up and sells Federalism as a solution to Uganda's problem. But
he
> >starts again, from Buganda, after he promises us that the king will lead
> >Buganda in federalism. Apparently even if he does not state it that way,
it
> >still becomes "publicly accepted". Why is every leader who comes to power
> >in
> >Uganda uses us? Ever wondered?
> >
> >We can not change that untill when we go back on the ground in Buganda
and
> >teach a new lesson, for if we do not, then Kiiza Besigye a man who
publicly
> >opposed the return of the kingdom in Buganda will start his campaign by
> >promising that he will be good to Buganda. As Baganda we must start to be
> >critical and ask kiiza Besigye the names of which Ugandans he will be
> >against.
> >
> >Sheik Mubajje knows where he is coming from, Buganda must follow the same
> >path or we will end up burying the skulls and those from Ankole will say
> >"Mister itwe Twarire twatunga obwogyerero.
> >
> >I am out of here
> >
> >Em
> >
> >Toronto
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:36 PM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> >
> >
> > > Hullo,
> > >
> > > Whose grandmother named him that you all doubt that his name is Edward
> > > Milindwa? That is proof of NRA/M confusion in deception that they
think
> > > everyone go by lies and deception like them!!!!
> > >
> > > Own up
> > >
> > > Toro
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Adam Dada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:51 AM
> > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> > >
> > >
> > > > "Mulindwa" - Come on, own up - is your true name really
Mulindwa?????
> >Why
> > > > shun your roots mate? No good at all. Come out in the open, say who
> >you
> > > are
> > > > exactly and defend your kin and keith with a clear conscious that
you
> >are
> > > > not concealing your true identity and that you've denounced and
> >apologised
> > > > for the Ganda disguise and impersonation so as to conviniently
malign
> >the
> > > > Baganda. Unless and until you do that and continue to call yourself
> > > > "Mulindwa", your wild claim to being upright will remain just that -
a
> > > wild
> > > > claim, and those of us who know you shall continue to hold you in
> >utter
> > > > contempt. Your kin, on the other hand, will never forgive you for
the
> > > > failure to positively aknowledge your roots and join them in an open
> > > > struggle in your true identity.
> > > > Dada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: ugnet_: OMWAAMI KIRONDE
> > > > >Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:57:48 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Kironde
> > > > >
> > > > >I am just wondering, why did you think that this might be Mulindwa?
> >And
> > > the
> > > > >only reason I am asking such a question, is that you as a man who
has
> > > been
> > > > >in this forum for years you would know that I am a person who never
> >post
> > > > >any thing under fake names for I post it for I believe in it. I
post
> >it
> > > for
> > > > >I will defend it. I post it for if it will be wrong I will take the
> > > blame.
> > > > >But most of all I post it for I do not follow the wind, like today
> >UPC
> >is
> > > > >in power so I am pro UPC, Museveni is in power, so I am a
> >Movememntist,
> > > out
> > > > >of the blue I am pro North. That is why I always use my real name,
> >Edward
> > > > >Mulindwa, for if I was such an opportunistic, I would have used
fake
> > > names
> > > > >like Kasangwawo or even Mitayo Potosi for that matter. Kironde ask
me
> >do
> > > > >not bother with IP address.
> > > > >
> > > > >Again as Usual
> > > > >Edward Mulindwa
> > > > >Toronto
> > > > >
> > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Ed Kironde
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:38 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or
alive! -
> >The
> > > > >role of Federalism
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ocham Otim
> > > > >
> > > > > In addition to your observation, when you do a trecert of the IP
> > > > >address, the moderator is a subscriber to British Telcom - and uses
a
> > > > >dial-up connection since the last octet keeps on changing. One of
> >the
> > > > >names that came out though, was Joram, who claimed to be from
Kabale
> >when
> > > > >he signed the UPDF Ironfist guest book and put a link to this
> >anarchism
> > > > >thing. Signed with a Swahili phrase Tutatawatuliyha! Other
threads
> >lead
> > > > >you to the forum of Radio Rhino to which Edward Mulindwa is an
ardent
> > > > >contributor. First I thought it was Mulindwa's baby, but the first
> >octet
> > > > >of his IP parent net look.ca normally starts with 216. - later
guys!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> > > Behalf
> > > > >Of Ochan Otim
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! -
The
> > > role
> > > > >of Federalism
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rehema:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure about the ownership of the web site you provided.
I
> > > have
> > > > >my doubts based on two observations on visiting the site. One,
there
> >are
> > > > >only 12 members as per the web address. This kind of list, as
those
> >who
> > > > >are familiar with it will testify, allows all kinds of flexibility
to
> >the
> > > > >creator - including stuffing its membership with bogus e-mail
> >addresses
> > > to
> > > > >swell their ranks. Which brings me to number two: 22 of the 27
> >messages
> > > > >posted on the site since its creation appears to come from
> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] the administrative address for the
> >group.
> > > > >This seems to bolster my suspicion. Is this a "one-man" show? In
> >any
> > > > >case, why are some of the messages deleted (e.g. #2, 3-4, etc.)?
> > > > >
> > > > > I could be wrong (and do help me out here), but I do not know
why
> >I
> > > feel
> > > > >that buried in your interpretation of the messages on the site is
the
> >all
> > > > >too familiar stereotypical generalization we have heard all to
often
> >to
> > > > >justify the lackluster response the whole country gave to the
> >genocide
> > > > >happening in northern Uganda. However one looks at it, the
> >"northern"
> >is
> > > > >still part of Uganda for now and Uganda must deal with the problems
> >in
> > > the
> > > > >north.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ochan Otim
> > > > >
> > > > > At 02:09 AM 11/15/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This note is written by Rehema Mukooza. Since all of us are
> >struggling
> > > > >to find some solutions to Uganda's problems, I thought it useful to
> >share
> > > > >with everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Rehema Mukooza
> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >Subject: thug Museveni is WANTED dead or alive! - The role of
> > > > >Federalism
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:25:13 -0800 (PST)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Fellow Federalists:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I found this interesting discussion group on the net. Please
> >check
> >it
> > > > >out below.
> > > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ugandanarchism Are these lies or
> > > facts?!
> > > > >Okay, y'all know where I got your email addresses from [fedsnet].
> >Let's
> > > > >forget my history on fedsnet for now, I'm seriously and curiously
> > > > >interested in this particular issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >For long the LRA has been painted as a "non political
visionary"
> > > > >rebellion, but the link above which in so many ways looks like a
LRA
> > > rebel
> > > > >forum has a different story to tell. I am not a LRA rebel
supporter,
> >I'm
> > > in
> > > > >search for knowledge and the truth in remmedy to get a clear view
of
> > > > >understanding the rebellion. Anarchism is their political
philosophy
> >and
> > > > >they will protect & fight for it no matter what it takes! For the
1st
> > > time
> > > > >I've found out that their cause is not the 10 commandments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Before we move so quickly onto solving the northern rebellion
> >with
> > > > >federalism, let's check out how these anarchist northern federal
> >states
> > > > >will function and be governed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Uganda Anarchists/LRA rebels said - "We believe in a system
that
> >has
> > > no
> > > > >leadership but delegates elected and appointed by the populace.
> >Delegates
> > > > >that can be re-called at short notice when delegation is turned
into
> > > power.
> > > > >A democracy that is built from the grassroot and managed by
grassroot
> > > > >people. A system that is accountable to its people. We don't
believe
> >in
> > > > >national passports or national borders."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Their message of "a democracy that is built from the grassroot
> >and
> > > > >managed by the grassroot people" rings a bell of federalism.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Their ideology of "a system that has no leadership but
delegates
> > > > >elected and appointed by the populace. Delegates that can be
> >re-called
> >at
> > > > >short notice when delegation is turned into power" can work within
> > > > >federalism by simply forming a Northern Federal State Delegates
> > > > >Committee-like structure from the grassroot upwards. However, how
> >will
> >an
> > > > >anarchist region state respect the imperical superiority/leadership
> >of
> > > the
> > > > >federal gov't of Uganda above it if it doesn't believe in
> >"leadership"??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Their "We don't believe in national passports or national
> >borders"
> >is
> > > a
> > > > >much advanced ideology of -no leadership- because leadership is
> >limited
> > > by
> > > > >it's geographical boundaries and they want no part of this
> >limitation.
> > > Such
> > > > >disbelief in national passports or national borders is a violation
of
> > > > >international, national and state laws and not compatible with
> >federalism
> > > > >where state and national borders are clearly drawn. I now know why
> >the
> > > LRA
> > > > >keeps its base in Sudan moving across the border back and forth -
> >because
> > > > >it doesn't believe in national borders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I wrote all this because I needed some answers from our federal
> >brain
> > > > >childs of Uganda. The LRA has and is proving to be resilient rebel
> >group
> > > > >which is here to stay until it's demands are up into action. We are
> >going
> > > > >to have a problem with this group even in the post-Museveni era and
> >under
> > > a
> > > > >possible federalism. The LRA's relactancy and non existing support
of
> > > > >federalism can now be realized why - because federalism is NOT
> >anarchism!
> > > > >Bingo! There you go!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The LRA's demands might look undemocratic since the populace
did
> >not
> > > > >ask for it, but their demands will HAVE to be put into action, like
> >it
> >or
> > > > >not if we are to save lives. Decisions will have to be made in
> >accordance
> > > > >to the reality (LRA) of the situation. So, whatever kind of
> >federalism
> > > > >Uganda will choose, the northern region's will by force have to be
> > > > >different from other states/regions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In the mean time, the federal brain childs of Uganda give me
some
> > > > >answers, and shapely curve up a regional practicable model for the
> > > northern
> > > > >region now before it's too late. I hate to Bugandanize federalism
but
> >we
> > > > >need to put the Buganda federal talk aside [buganda will be easy to
> >deal
> > > > >with than the north] and deal/focus on the northern anarchist
federal
> > > > >model.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I don't wanna hear the old talk of "they [northerns] will
decide
> >what
> > > > >type of federal-in-state arrangement will work for them" because
this
> > > will
> > > > >be a complicated situation (no national border/passport respect and
> >no
> > > > >recognition of the leadership of the Uganda State). The decision of
> >the
> > > > >northern federalism will definately have to involve the Ugandan
> >republic
> > > > >not just the people of northern region.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And if the Uganda Federal Gov't hesitates to give up some of
its
> > > powers
> > > > >to anarchism, I am afraid another LRA rebellion will be in the
> >waiting
> > > > >ready to happen! They don't even believe in laws imposed by legal
> > > > >authority, they believe that ethics are a personal matter and
should
> >be
> > > > >based upon others and the wellbeing of society! That explains why
> >they
> > > > >mutilate people without any remorse because in their thinking
'ethics
> >are
> > > a
> > > > >personal matter' which depends on how individually someone
> >interpretes
> > > it,
> > > > >and 'anarchism is what society needs for its wellbeing'. Guns can
not
> > > > >defeat such people, we will have to fight their beliefs which are
> >deep
> > > > >rooted. I don't even know how to fight their beliefs because they
> >will
> > > kill
> > > > >any person tampering with their 'cause'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Uganda will HAVE to wake up from it's sleep and submit to the
LRA
> > > > >rebel's demands. No wonder the gov't has failed to make peaceful
> > > ceasefire
> > > > >negotiations with the rebels because the gov't itself is "a
> >hierachial
> > > > >economic authority 'leadership' inherently detrimental to the
> > > maximization
> > > > >of human potential" according to the LRA. Our gov't is power
hungry,
> >it
> > > can
> > > > >not give up such powers (federal or anarchist) to any region even
if
> >it
> > > is
> > > > >costing us an exstinction of groups of people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The LRA wants something way much more than federalism. I read
> >some
> >of
> > > > >Mr. Oryema Johnson's postings on fedsnet about "seccession" of the
> > > northern
> > > > >region from Uganda. Oryema had some very very very important
> >observations
> > > > >and ideas which must not be ignored as non-nationalist. If the
whole
> >of
> > > > >Uganda and her gov't will not be able to accomodate and accept
> >northern
> > > > >anarchism, there will be a NORTHERN SECCESSION by the force of you
> >know
> > > > >what, the LRA gun. This is a bloody marriage with fruits of death,
if
> >one
> > > > >partner can not stand/live by the rules of the other, a sensible
> >devorce
> > > is
> > > > >what is needed to stop the death fruits of the marriage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Federalists, correct me wherever I went wrong, but we need real
> > > > >solutions to the war in the north. Our disguise of "nationalism" is
> >not
> > > > >even nationalism because any true nationalist would have solved
this
> > > > >problem years ago and saved national lives. This so called
> >nationalism
> >of
> > > > >Uganda is about territory/land control and not its people. This
makes
> > > sense
> > > > >why the people in the north refused Salim Saleh's plans of
abandoning
> > > their
> > > > >land and start cultivating in concentration camps. The Uganda gov't
> >does
> > > > >all this sh**t and expects the LRA rebels to give up any time
soon??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Any federal solution to this anarchist situation in the north??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Rehema M.
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