at last you are beginning to see the advantages of federalism ! You are now starting to realize that the federal arrangement is a negotiated one (unlike unitarism which is imposed upon the people).
The problem you still have, is in thinking that what you are demanding for is a system, when it is not. What you are asking for is the implementation of the law and not a system as such (by the way, in Uganda we have the laws, it is the lack of implementation that is causing the problem). Your arguments are at the micro level, e.g. a person killing another, while federalism is at the national level. What federalists are saying is that federalism is the system of governance best suited for a society like Uganda which is multi-ethnic with strong socio-economic, political and religious diversity. Most Ugandans want to determine their own socio-economic destiny.
Federalism is not against implementing the law.
While you are quick to citicize federalism, you have continually failed to tell us what are the advantages of unitarism for Uganda. Yes, you stay comfortably in federal democracies but oppose the same system for Uganda !
Kasangwawo
From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: BY WAY OF NOTE Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:52:51 -0500
Kasangwawo
Absolutely. Look here if a Toro resident knows that it is wrong to kill a
fellow Toro and a Muganda knows that it is wrong to kill a Muganda fellow
there is no reason why Federalism can not work in Uganda, or even why
uniterism can work. The problem we have is that we do not have a ground work
at all done in our country, and we think that by burying those very
fundamental issues we can build a better system. No it can not work. And it
is not only you who think so for let me quote for you, for Rehema asks "Why
is the whole rest of Uganda at war??" Now one can take that question to mean
that we have wars in Uganda for we have a unitary system, but if my history
remembers well Buganda attacked Bunyoro and many Banyoro were murdered by
Baganda, was that due to Uniterism?
All I am saying is that any nation to change from unitary to federal system,
you must have several units which are different, and Uganda fits that class.
Those units must have an administration system with in them selves, they
must be law abiding citizens, Uganda units are not. Those units must sit
together and put what they have on the table for discussion. They must
decide on what they are willing to combine and what they are willing to keep
separate, we have here a case now of Walkerton Ontario Police department, it
amalgamated with a neighbour Police station, today they are separating, for
it is not working out. But they know what they each brought on the table.
Kasangwawo, what is Buganda bringing on the table? What is Gulu bringing on
the table? What is karimoja bringing on the table? But they must as well
address what they will lose in this federation, can you list for me what
they will lose as well? And what are they keeping or leaving un touched?
Please list all those things then we will know that this is not a
manipulation of non thinkers who take every single Uganda suggestion serious
with out looking into it, for the federalism you are talking about is so
hollow that it amazes me why even people bother to burn time with it.
Now after you get all the answers to the above paragraph, then you use those
answers to compile a final document, that is the document you can send to
Uganda government to ask Parliament to consider whether it is even phyisible
to change Uganda from a unitary system to a federal system. But Ugandans did
not do that, they got a Buganda katikiro, a Movementist and sent him to the
Government, a Movementist government, and Wala the uncritical thinkers
followed for they are accompanying the Katikiro to go and ask for
federalism. How uncritical thinkers are you Ugandans? The delegation which
goes to ask for federalism must be chosen by the units wishing to unite, not
Mengo. The document being sent to Uganda government must be studied
understood and accepted by all delegates from all parts of Uganda, we do not
leave half of Uganda in refugee camps and we go to ask for federalism.
It is wrong and that is why it is so laughable to those of us who have stayed in federal countries and who have seen how Natives are trying to get their own government. Oh by the way they are negotiating with Ottawa not with the Queen. If they reach an agreement with Ottawa, then the Queen will be involved. Do not put the cart in front of a horse.
Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message ----- From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:34 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: BY WAY OF NOTE
> Mulndwa,
>
> are you saying that federalism would be okay in Uganda if we have your
> 'system' (whatever that thing is) ?
>
> Kasangwawo
>
>
> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: BY WAY OF NOTE
> >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:47:00 -0500
> >
> >Kasangwawo
> >
> >Because Canada did a ground work before it became a Federal State, it did
> >not get a bunch of dictators and force them out of Kampala thinking that
it
> >is the solution. As I have said before, Federalism is a kind of
governance
> >which shows how democratically you are developed.
> >
> >The problem/s in Uganda is neither unitary nor Federalism, it is a
creation
> >of a space where any of those two systems can function. Uganda has no
> >system
> >so any body, or any leader, or any political party you put in Uganda will
> >fail. Mayombo is a killer if he is in Kampala, and if you put him in
Mpigi
> >as a District Security officer under a Federal Buganda government,
Mayombo
> >will kill Ugandans. For his killing Ugandans today is not for NRM is in
> >power, it is because Uganda as a state has no system which requires
Mayombo
> >to be answerable to any body. As long as he is answerable to the
President
> >that is good enough for him Ugandans can die as they want.
> >Now you are going to tell us that in a Buganda federal unit he will not.
> >And
> >I will respond to you that it was even your self who stated here that in
> >Buganda we have close Royals and distant royals, now on that kind of
> >sectarian system, put in Mayombo as a security officer, then you will see
> >how the distant royals,or even close ones, are packed in train wagons,
and
> >my parents will follow.
> >Today Salim Saleh buys all sim sim from the North, not for NRM allowed
him
> >but Uganda as a government has no system which can stop him, so even if
you
> >take him to Rwakitura as a commander of all Askaris, Salim Saleh will be
> >the
> >only buyer of all milk from the entire Western Uganda.
> >And we have very many other examples we can look at, for example if we
have
> >hard a war in Northern Uganda for 20 years and the population in Buganda
is
> >saying "Ffe Kasita Twebaka" What makes you believe that if a tragedy let
us
> >say flood hits Northern Uganda, Baganda will use some of their resources
to
> >rescue the Northerners? I mean I have just got off the Radio Rhino site
> >where a member told us specifically that there will never be a Northerner
> >leading Uganda again, and that is one of the NRM's agenda. Now on people
> >with such venom between each other how can you put them in a federal
union?
> >A Federal system is a very good system, but before you put it in a nation
> >you must work out the basics. Canada became a federal nation for if you
> >killed an Ontarian police would arrest you and take you court. Can you
> >imagine if an Ontarian was killed and a Manitoban said "Ffe Kasita
> >Twebaka"?
> >
> >And I have seen, read, mate a good number of jokers on Uganda's solution.
> >There are those who want political partys to return, and I laugh at them.
I
> >have seen those who plead for federalism, and I laugh at them. I have
seen
> >those who pile all of us in Movement bus, and I laugh at them. On and on.
> >For you are all missing one very important ingredient, if we had a system
> >in
> >Uganda, Iddi Amin would have found it in place and he would have bound by
> >the same, he came in with his eighteen reasons and you supported him and
> >called him Ssalongo waffe.The same system would have been in place when
> >Obote came to power, same when Museveni came to power. But you do not
have
> >it. Tomorrow I can be a president of Uganda for thirty reasons, and
> >kasangwawo you will preach Mulindwa as a good man for he is our fellow
> >Muganda. Yes I heard "No Lule No Work" But who was Lule? The bastard came
> >to
> >City Square and he started his speech with "Ffe Kyetwayagalizanga
> >Embazzi...." Thank God the dictator died, for who knows where Uganda
would
> >have been today under the leadership of such?
> >
> >Build a system in Uganda then Federalism or unitary should be a result of
> >such a system, do not put the cart in front of a horse.
> >
> >"why don't you oppose the federalism in the country where you live, yet
you
> >keep opposing it for Uganda ?"
> >
> >Because The federalists and Buganda in particular, waited untill when the
> >whole rest of Uganda is at war and decided to bring a discussion of such
> >great importance to our nation for discussion. The rest of Uganda is at
> >war,
> >and the parts which are not at war have their Kingdoms muzzled, Ankole as
> >an
> >example. To me this is a true picture of what Buganda thinks about Uganda
> >as
> >a nation. And as a result of this very silly move, the discussion of
> >Federalism is carried out only in Buganda and to today no single tribe
out
> >there which has come to the table with what they want in this federalism,
> >for they all left this noise with the Buganda empty cans.
> >
> >Either that or other tribes are critical thinkers who can see through
> >Museveni's jokes and Buganda ain't.
> >
> >Take your pick.
> >
> >Em
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:14 AM
> >Subject: RE: ugnet_: BY WAY OF NOTE
> >
> >
> > > why don't you oppose the federalism in the country where you live, yet
> >you
> > > keep opposing it for Uganda ?
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Rwanda"
> > >
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: ugnet_: BY WAY OF NOTE
> > > >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:07:28 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Netters
> > > >
> > > >Today Friday the 12th The Canadian Prime Minister John Chretien at 9
am
> >EST
> > > >is going to resign from power, after some forty years of politics, at
> >10
> >am
> > > >ESA the former Finance Minister Paul Martin will sworn in as the new
> > > >Canadian Prime Minister.
> > > >
> > > >We expect an early summer Federal election which is expected to be
worn
> >by
> > > >the same.
> > > >
> > > >We wish well to the two gentlemen.
> > > >
> > > >Em
> > > >Toronto
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
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