From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: GENERAL "KONY" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:07:44 +0100 (BST)
Bwana Musaazi,your quips turns you into a quidnunc and that is
my problem with you.
When will you ever accept that at times you suffer serious deficiencies
in the intellectual disposition required to critique issues that affect what
you have called many Ugandans,the likes of you know?
Blind hatred that you keep throwing your tantrums over will actually immortalize the person you want to demonize.
All the actors in the Luwero theatre have already at variuos fora praised
themselves for their deeds and misdeeds there and I find it perturbing that,that appears to be the only focus that forms the basis of your discourse on this fora.
It is better if you cannot discern the differences between what is in your power to change and that which you cannot change even when given a trillion years so to do,to keep your tunnel based analysis to yourself and
ofcourse with those "many" Ugandans who are holed up in that black hole of collective ignorance.
Akuume.
Kipenji.
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emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...i here you....you don't believe Kony/LRA exist, just as you don't believe
Obote UPC were responsible for the massacre of hundreds of thousands of
people in Luwero in the 80's....just as don't believe Obote UPC have ever
done anything wrong.....i here you Mr. Kipenji.
>From: Owor Kipenji
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: GENERAL "KONY"
>Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0100 (BST)
>
>Musaazi,your posting below to me is representative of some forms of
>intellectual sclerosis that has visited you lately.
>Do you from your impoverished analysis of the news item read what you
>are stating??
>Do not engage in such myopic inuendoes with whatever is happening in
>Northern Uganda.
>My personal take on the macabre situation in Northern Uganda has always
>been the same and eminent scholars not in your league who
>occupy the ivory towers in Uganda and elsewhere will attest to that?
>So these obtuse reminisces from some amourotic intelllectually
>impoversished analyst like you will not do.
>Truth can only be hidden for as long as it takes before it bursts the seams
>of the container.
>Just for your own information any way,since Federo for those who want is on
>the table and almost going to Buganda,how do you relish that??
>Kipenji.
>____________________________________________________________________________________________
>
>emmanuel musaazi wrote:
>Netters, if you recall some months back when Kony/LRA were having a field
>day killing civillians in Acholi, Lango and Teso (apparently they seemed to
>have the upper hand), their cheer leaders on this forum were glutting the
>network with postings of the progress of the on-slaught. They were in
>celebratory mood. These LRA/Kony supporters were even rationalizing what
>Kony/LRA was doing, at the time they had no doubt whatsoever that Kony/LRA
>existed. NOW THE TABLES ARE TURNED AND KONY/LRA ARE ON THE BRINK OF DEFEAT
>AND SUDDENLY, NOW THEY ARE SINGING A NEW SONG. THEIR NEW SONG IS "OH
>KONY/LRA DON'T EXIST, IT'S JUST THE GOVERNMENT PLAYING GAMES". THESE PEOPLE
>ARE JUST LIARS AND CON ARTISTS THEY HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE OR PRODUCTIVE
>TO CONTRIBUTE TO UGANDA. THEY ARE POLITICAL CHAMELEONS, CHANGING WITH THE
>ENVIRONMENT. What amaizes me though is their belief that they can say one
>thing today and another tomorrow and expect no one to pick it up.....either
>they are very forgetfull, stupid or disrespectful to the membership of this
>internet group or all the above...
>
> >From: Owor Kipenji
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: GENERAL "KONY"
> >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:16:30 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >They say,every closed system left to itself,collapses under its' own
> >weight.
> >The conspiracy that appears to have existed between UPDF and this
> >Kony animal appears to have plateaued out and now they are busy
> >reporting to us how much they are in constant touch with each other
> >and yet whenence the UPDF feels some areas need to be depolulated
> >they get in and do their jobs and start crying out as Kony has attacked
> >and ransacked the area.
> >18 years of fundamental changes in Uganda looks laughable if what
> >Maj Shaban Bantariza says is to be believed and yet Kony is relaxing
> >somewhere and being bankrolled by may be State house.
> >The symbiotic relationship that exists between these two supposed foes is
> >the reason why the insurgency can only end when Mu7 is not in the
> >picture.Not because Kony represents opposition to Mu7 but rather because
>no
> >one will continue to bankroll him when Mu7 is out of the picture.
> >Kipenji.
> >____________________________________________________________________--
> >Simon Nume wrote:
> >Mr Kipenji
> >
> >Maybe an example to trivalise the recent army promotions by showing that
> >'Kony' has also promoted his 'terrorists' ( therefore we are safer with
>the
> >UPDF promotions).
> >
> >It is ALWAYS the UPDF spokeman who announces 'Kony' intentions, actions
> >etc.
> >
> >BTW on 5 May 04 the New Vision reported that 'Otti' had called its
>offices.
> >At the same time Kayanja agreed that he is "in constant contact with
>Otti".
> >So if they have the technology to intercept radio calls, why can't they
> >pinpoint where 'Otti' is, from his mobile (by simply asking the mobile
> >provider) and arrest him ?
> >
> >Nume
> >
> >Owor Kipenji wrote:
> >Could there be some relations to the promotions in the UPDF
> >which from the looks of it is like a list of who is from which part of
> >Ankole,that is being downplayed by stating Kony's promotions?
> >Why would the UPDF spokesperson be the one to announce this?
> >Is UPDF by inference in cohorts with Kony to promote their hidden
> >agenda?
> >I find this piece very disturbing to say the least.
> >Kipenji
> >
> >Simon Nume wrote:
> >Netters
> >
> >1. It was reported late last month that "Vincent Otti" had been injured
>in
> >Uganda and he had crossed back to Sudan to be treated . At that time
>"Kony"
> >was already in Sudan.
> >
> >2. These 2 radio communications 'interecepted' by UPDF were therefore
> >between 2 people in the Sudan. HOW does UPDF manage that ? Can't "Kony"
> >afford a mobile phone which cannot be 'intercepted' ?
> >
> >3. If Kamuduli was not killed earlier, WHO had announced him dead ? and
> >WHO was the dead man ?
> >
> >4. Watch out for an attack in Lira in Sept/October this year.
> >
> >
> >This whole thing is painfully obvious. .......
> >
> >
> >Nume
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Kony promotes himself to General
> >By Andrew M. Mwenda & Alex B. Atuhaire
> >June 4, 2004
> >
> >KAMPALA - The leader of the rebel Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA), Joseph
> >Kony (right), has promoted himself to the rank of General. In a
> >communication issued on June 1, 2004, Kony also promoted his deputy
>Vincent
> >Otti to the rank of Lieutenant General.
> >
> >According to highly placed sources in the Uganda Peoples Defence Forces
> >(UPDF), Kony announced the promotions in a radio message. Military
> >intelligence intercepted the message.
> >
> >UPDF spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza said the army is not bothered by
>the
> >LRA promotions. “We don’t care whether he promotes himself to
>general.
> >It makes him a general terrorist,” Bantariza told The Monitor by
> >telephone. “We are not bothered; he can even go ahead and make himself
> >Field Marshal,” Bantariza said.
> >
> >According to security sources, LRA commanders Kamuduli (whose alleged
>dead
> >body was pictured in the press) and Ceaser Acellam (LRA’s chief of
> >military intelligence) who had earlier been announced dead are actually
> >alive. The latter is reportedly ill in a sickbay.
> >
> >Security sources further told The Monitor that Kony also promoted one of
> >his commanders, Lakati to Brigadier. The LRA leader has also called all
>his
> >commanders back to the Sudan.
> >
> >Security sources say that in a radio communication, Kony instructed Otti
>to
> >organise a celebration party for the promoted officers. Kony further told
> >Otti that in spite of many difficulties, LRA would march to Lira town to
> >loot goods for the party and that the celebrations should coincide with
> >Independence Day anniversary celebrations.
> >
> >Ugandan security sources, who have listened to the intercepted LRA radio
> >communication, say that Kony’s self-promotion and of his rebel officers
> >is a response to recent promotions within the UPDF . In one of the
> >intercepted messages, Kony claims that Uganda’s Army Commander, newly
> >promoted Lt. Gen. Aronda Nyakairima, failed to dislodge the LRA during
> >Operation Iron Fist.
> >
> >Security sources further say that Kony reasoned that how could Aronda,
>whom
> >he (Kony) defeated in southern Sudan during Operation Iron Fist in 2002
> >become a Lieutenant General while the LRA commander himself remains at
>the
> >rank of Major General.
> >
> >In another development, the LRA leadership has announced it is ready for
> >peace talks; if government accepts its terms. Highly placed sources told
> >The Monitor that in another intercepted radio message between Kony and
> >Otti, the rebel army now has a contact through whom they want to
>negotiate
> >with government.
> >
> >According to the source, privy to the radio intercept, Otti reported to
> >Kony how he met a government peace emissary (names and code names
>withheld
> >for security reasons).
> >
> >Army spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza said the LRA could go ahea d with
>the
> >peace talks. He warned however, that preconditions would not be accepted.
> >“No preconditions are permissible, especially those which make the
> >population vulnerable to Kony’s terrorist attacks,” he said on phone,
> >last evening.
> >
> >The source recounted that Otti told Kony that the peace emissary was very
> >scared, but was handled well by the LRA commander. He added that Otti
>told
> >Kony that he (Otti) had held a meeting with other LRA commanders -
>Lukwiya
> >and Kwoyelo - and discussed the peace proposal.
> >
> >Otti further told Kony that he wrote a letter to government through the
> >emissary, giving two conditions for peace talks: that the UPDF withdraws
> >from southern Sudan and Northern Uganda. The second conditionality was
>that
> >UPDF soldiers lay down their weapons before the LRA does so.
> >
> >Bantariza however said this was unacceptable. “For us, we shall
>implement
> >what the Commander in Chief tells us. We don’t envisage him instructing
> >us to withdraw from sout hern Sudan or to lay down out tools. Such a
>thing
> >has never happened and we shall not be the first ones to do it,” he
>said.
> >
> >The source said that Kony was happy with Otti’s report on the
>intercepted
> >radio communication but was skeptical about the peace emissary whom he
> >seemed not to trust.
> >
> >The source said however, that Otti told Kony that the peace emissary is
> >well known to him (Otti) because he (the emissary) was born in Atyak and
> >that both have been in contact for a long time.
> >
> >
> >
> >© 2004 The Monitor Publications
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