Matek
Thank you for the response because you have clarified some of the issues that
have been bothering me. Have a wonderful Christmas with all yours truly.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: uganda...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:14 PM
To: ugandacom; voice-of-uganda
Subject: Re: [UGANDACOM] ACHOLI AND LANGI HASTILY ENROLLED WITH MINMAL TRAINING
AND LITTLE SENSE OF DISCPLINE {Can we get a more independent source than this?}
Geez !!!!!!!!
Matek
EM says "How can starting a war get responsible for the government soldiers
gang raping women? For some very unknown reason I have a problem getting that
connection"
Soldiers all over the world are trained killers. They are like trained Killer
dogs. Those politicians, who have failed in the act of Politicking, and
instead choose to create war and fight wars , are utimately responsible for
whatever atrocities which may result as a result of such war. what is
difficult to understand there?
And I fail to get the connection for when the 1979 war was started out of
Mutukula, Iddi Amin moved all civilians out of the war zone, and he instructed
all government trucks taking fighters into the war zone to come back with
civilians.
I say: That is Bull shit perio. I was in Kampala from 1971-1979 the years under
Idi Amin regime .
I did not once see the trucks you are talking about ferrying civilians out of
the war zone. What I saw , fisrt hand, was Amin soldiers returning from
Kagara silent in Tanzania with looted iron sheets from rooofs of houses in
kagera.dada's amin also looted , sugar, rice, bicycle you name it from TZ.
Every single news in the evening was listing what areas must not have
civilians, and the areas that must start to prepare to be evacuated.
What news were you listening too? Another bull shit. I was in kampala such
that I was monitoring every thing happening at that time and under Amin's
regime . so stop you deception.
Amin’s government decided to change all community centers that were built by
the UPC government into reception centers that these people lived in, and they
all survived.
Name five of such centers ... satrt with those in Acholiland, West Nile, Alur
land, Karamoja, Tesoland or Gishu Land of the BAMASABA?
It is actually Amin’s instructions that civilians never belong to a war zone
but soldiers, that we today have no single mass grave all way from Mutukula to
Masaka coming forward, and any Ugandan that was murdered, died for Acholis got
control of the area and started to murder people amass.
If you make such riduculus statement , I say the Buganda deserve the mass
garves in Luwero..they deserve having viginas of women., as you put it
surgically cut of. Indeed , I say Acholi make a mistake.. next time finish the
job completely and also. Come you check, I see you are still hold up in
toronto. for a while there I thought you were going to buy a ticket on air
canada and head on back to uganda ...to Mbhu lead another group of Baganda
rebels who will supposingly be fighting the Bucholi and northerners ( as you
put it) so that they do not over throw museveniand subject the Buganda to
Lyuwero Part two.. kumbe you are just here making noise!
Matek every woman that was pregnant was handed a priority one by Amin’s
government to be driven towards Kampala where medical attention would have been
provided...
mbhu amin's government drove pregnant women from the war zone to kampala were
the women would recieve medical attention . I guess these women were driven
atop APC and tanks.. since there were no ambulances one can talk about under
idi Amin Dada. EM: you are beginning to sound more insane then i EVER ever
THOUGHT. what is this your firtuation with acholi and Northerners...oohhoo
acholi this ooohhoo acholi that...yooooo..though luck my friend what happen in
luwero was JUSTIFIED ...your fello ganda said those words... take like a
man... wanna fight the acholi ...i suggest you buy a ticket tommorow and fly to
uganda to join Yoweri Museveni ... Careful though...this time around the
acholis and northerner for that matter are not joking around. first we will
lock the uganda kenya border...we will lock the rwanda uganda border ...and
then to taa chezza musique muzitu...
That was a war sir. And with difficulty I am trying but so hard to understand
your reasoning that Acholis had a right to gang rape the women of Luwero
because they never started the war but Museveni did. Kindly help me here
understand.
Matek I adore sex and I can use all tactics to get it, but are you saying that
if a war breaks I have every right to grab every woman and gang rape her for it
is a war and in a war it is only those that start it that get responsible for
what woman’s vagina has been cut out by a bayonet?
di I like stammer.... you heard me right... in a war everything
happens...humans become animals. once again those who start wars and justify it
are ultimately responsible for the consequencies of war and the resulting
atrocities...
Matek Opoko
And I am just asking
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:49 PM, 'Herrn Edward Mulindwa' mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> [UGANDACOM] <uganda...@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
Matek
How can starting a war get responsible for the government soldiers gang raping
women? For some very unknown reason I have a problem getting that connection.
And I fail to get the connection for when the 1979 war was started out of
Mutukula, Iddi Amin moved all civilians out of the war zone, and he instructed
all government trucks taking fighters into the war zone to come back with
civilians. Every single news in the evening was listing what areas must not
have civilians, and the areas that must start to prepare to be evacuated.
Amin’s government decided to change all community centers that were built by
the UPC government into reception centers that these people lived in, and they
all survived. It is actually Amin’s instructions that civilians never belong to
a war zone but soldiers, that we today have no single mass grave all way from
Mutukula to Masaka coming forward, and any Ugandan that was murdered, died for
Acholis got control of the area and started to murder people amass. Matek every
woman that was pregnant was handed a priority one by Amin’s government to be
driven towards Kampala where medical attention would have been provided. That
was a war sir. And with difficulty I am trying but so hard to understand your
reasoning that Acholis had a right to gang rape the women of Luwero because
they never started the war but Museveni did. Kindly help me here understand.
Matek I adore sex and I can use all tactics to get it, but are you saying that
if a war breaks I have every right to grab every woman and gang rape her for it
is a war and in a war it is only those that start it that get responsible for
what woman’s vagina has been cut out by a bayonet?
And I am just asking
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: uganda...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com> ]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:57 AM
To: ugandacom; voice-of-uganda
Subject: Re: [UGANDACOM] ACHOLI AND LANGI HASTILY ENROLLED WITH MINMAL TRAINING
AND LITTLE SENSE OF DISCPLINE {Can we get a more independent source than this?}
Geez !!!!!!!!
Em:
You can only blame those who started the war in luwero and justified it; the
likes of Museveni and NRA .for all the atrocities committed in Luwero
You start a war you bare the consequencies
It is as simple as that.
MK
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:55 AM, 'Herrn Edward Mulindwa' mulin...@look.ca
<mailto:mulin...@look.ca> [UGANDACOM] <uganda...@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:uganda...@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
In February 1981, shortly after the new Obote government took office, with
Paulo Muwanga as vice president and minister of defense, a former Military
Commission member, Yoweri Museveni, and his armed supporters declared
themselves the National Resistance Army (NRA). Museveni vowed to overthrow
Obote by means of a popular rebellion, and what became known as "the war in the
bush" began. Several other underground groups also emerged to attempt to
sabotage the new regime, but they were eventually crushed. Museveni, who had
guerrilla war experience with the Front for the Liberation of Mozambique
(Frente de Libertaçâo de Moçambique--Frelimo), campaigned in rural areas
hostile to Obote’s government, especially central and western Buganda and the
western regions of Ankole and Bunyoro.
The Obote government’s four-year military effort to destroy its challengers
resulted in vast areas of devastation and greater loss of life than during the
eight years of Amin’s rule. UNLA’s many Acholi and Langi had been hastily
enrolled with minimal training and little sense of discipline. Although they
were survivors of Amin’s genocidal purges of northeast Uganda, in the 1980s
they were armed and in uniform, conducting similar actions against
Bantu-speaking Ugandans in the south, with whom they appeared to feel no
empathy or even pity. In early 1983, to eliminate rural support for Museveni’s
guerrillas the area of Luwero District, north of Kampala, was targeted for a
massive population removal affecting almost 750,000 people. These artificially
created refugees were packed into several internment camps subject to military
control, which in reality meant military abuse. Civilians outside the camps, in
what came to be known as the "Luwero Triangle," were presumed to be guerrillas
or guerrilla sympathizers and were treated accordingly. The farms of this
highly productive agricultural area were looted--roofs, doors, and even door
frames were stolen by UNLA troops. Civilian loss of life was extensive, as
evidenced some years later by piles of human skulls in bush clearings and
alongside rural roads.
The army also concentrated on the northwestern corner of Uganda, in what was
then West Nile District. Bordering Sudan, West Nile had provided the ethnic
base for much of Idi Amin’s earlier support and had enjoyed relative prosperity
under his rule. Having born the brunt of Amin’s anti-Acholi massacres in
previous years, Acholi soldiers avenged themselves on inhabitants of Amin’s
home region, whom they blamed for their losses. In one famous incident in June
1981, Ugandan Army soldiers attacked a Catholic mission where local refugees
had sought sanctuary. When the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC)
reported a subsequent massacre, the government expelled it from Uganda.
Despite these activities, Obote’s government, unlike Amin’s regime, was
sensitive to its international image and realized the importance of securing
foreign aid for the nation’s economic recovery. Obote had sought and followed
the advice of the International Monetary Fund, even though the austerity
measures ran counter to his own ideology. He devalued the Uganda shilling by
100 percent, attempted to facilitate the export of cash crops, and postponed
any plans he may once have entertained for reestablishing one-party rule. The
continued sufferance of the DP, although much harried and abused by UPC
stalwarts, became an important symbol to international donors. The government’s
inability to eliminate Museveni and win the civil war, however, sapped its
economic strength, and the occupation of a large part of the country by an army
hostile to the Ugandans living there furthered discontent with the regime.
Abductions by the police, as well as the detentions and disappearances so
characteristic of the Amin period, recurred. In place of torture at the
infamous State Research Bureau at Nakasero, victims met the same fate at
so-called "Nile Mansions." Amnesty International, a human rights organization,
issued a chilling report of routine torture of civilian detainees at military
barracks scattered across southern Uganda. The overall death toll from 1981 to
1985 was estimated as high as 500,000. Obote, once seen by the donor community
as the one man with the experience and will to restore Uganda’s fortunes, now
appeared to be a liability to recovery.
In this deteriorating military and economic situation, Obote subordinated other
matters to a military victory over Museveni. North Korean military advisers
were invited to take part against the NRA rebels in what was to be a final
campaign that won neither British nor United States approval. But the army was
warweary, and after the death of the highly capable General Oyite Ojok in a
helicopter accident at the end of 1983, it began to split along ethnic lines.
Acholi soldiers complained that they were given too much frontline action and
too few rewards for their services. Obote delayed appointing a successor to
Oyite Ojok for as long as possible. In the end, he appointed a Langi to the
post and attempted to counter the objection of Acholi officers by spying on
them, reviving his old paramilitary counterweight, the mostly Langi Special
Force Units, and thus repeating some of the actions that led to his overthrow
by Amin. As if determined to replay the January 1971 events, Obote once again
left the capital after giving orders for the arrest of a leading Acholi
commander, Brigadier (later Lieutenant General) Basilio Olara Okello, who
mobilized troops and entered Kampala on July 27, 1985. Obote, together with a
large entourage, fled the country for Zambia. This time, unlike the last, Obote
allegedly took much of the national treasury with him.
Sources:
Source: Wikipedia, published under the GNU FDL. Retrieved [dat]
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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This is a quote:
"Even if Joseph Kony was killed, that would not necessarily be the end of the
war in northern Uganda because Kony is no more than a ‘ spiritual’ leader of
the LRA. This quick fix, arm-chair solution seemed to be from the Kampala-based
‘opinion leaders’ who only know the war through newspapers".
" Until the legitimate grievances and the marginalization of northern Uganda’s
communities are addressed, LRA fighters remain a possible vehicle for the
expression of northerners’ frustrations".
"Kony may never sign a peace agreement. Whether or not he signs, however, is
less relevant to avoiding new conflict in northern Uganda than ending
marginalization policies and fulfilling promises by the Ugandan government."
--
This is a quote:
"Even if Joseph Kony was killed, that would not necessarily be the end of the
war in northern Uganda because Kony is no more than a ‘ spiritual’ leader of
the LRA. This quick fix, arm-chair solution seemed to be from the Kampala-based
‘opinion leaders’ who only know the war through newspapers".
" Until the legitimate grievances and the marginalization of northern Uganda’s
communities are addressed, LRA fighters remain a possible vehicle for the
expression of northerners’ frustrations".
"Kony may never sign a peace agreement. Whether or not he signs, however, is
less relevant to avoiding new conflict in northern Uganda than ending
marginalization policies and fulfilling promises by the Ugandan government."
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