George Okello
With all due respect, keep your abusive language within the Lango community
and stop rubbing on Baganda. You have caused enough damage to this once pure
culture that it will take years to bring it back to its original form that of
respect and dignity. You can brag about your education, but as far as I am
concerned, education without character has no purpose in society. Look at ISIS
fighters, lots of them went to school and have degrees, if education makes
people civilized why are they carrying out such savagery against innocent
people? Education begins at home. In your case, I understand there was lack of
such in your family since two things were happening around you, tending goats
and no time to socialize with your peers. Back home, you were being taught by
your father to hate Amin, his government and his tribe whom he referred to as
Nubians or Anyanya. Early education is very important George and what I mean by
this, is not the ABC you brag about, but the one taught by your parents how to
conduct yourself towards your fellow beings.
If classroom education was of any help, you would not be that abusive on a
forum that was created to bring people for peace and harmony. Your behavior is
no different from that of Amin whom you call a murderer. Murdering people begin
by the use of words. Words misused can cause hell to break loose. The recent
shut down of UAH was due to misuse or abuse of words sir. You can call me a
pumpkin head or any other words you find fit to use to describe, as long as you
remain abusive and disrespectful of others, you are no different from those you
call fools.
You have claimed here that Amin targeted Langi and Acholi, how come your father
who was training people to attack him was never picked up? Was he a double
agent, working for both Amin and Obote? You have a lot to explain sir. The
reason why you keep abusing people, is to avoid committing to explain how many
people got killed by your father's act. If you would like me to stop addressing
you in this manner, learn some manners even though it may be too late to learn
new things.
Have a good day sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Okello
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 8:05 AM
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [UGANDACOM] RE: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
Edward Mulindwa,
I am not undermining you, but please note I have taught English
Language and Literature to A Level students and also was a Tutorial
Assistant at the School of Law, Makerere University, delivering
tutorials to University students in the English language. My command
of English grammar is therefore far better than yours.
George Okello
On 5/10/15, George Okello <opal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Edward Mulindwa,
>
> Bumpkin and Pumpkin are totally different words and mean totally
> different things. Let Wikipedia help you:
>
> Bumpkin
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> Bumpkin may refer to:
>
> "Country bumpkin, a synonym for the term yokel; a foolish, poorly
> educated person from a rural region."
>
> Pumpkin
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>
> "A pumpkin is a cultivar of the squash plant, most commonly of
> Cucurbita pepo, that is round, with smooth, slightly ribbed skin and
> deep yellow to orange coloration. The thick shell contains the seeds
> and pulp"
>
> You are not at my level with the English language so never try to correct
> me.
>
> George Okello
>
>
>
> On 5/10/15, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote:
>> George Okello
>>
>> Calling a member of UAH a bumpkin is being abusive sir. And for the
>> record
>> the spelling of that word is pumpkin. Kindly stop demeaning members of
>> the
>> forum for you neither feed their families nor pay their bills sir. And I
>> am
>> going to keep on reminding you your societal responsibility until when I
>> will block your Email address.
>>
>> Consider this as your official warning number one.
>>
>> EM
>> On the 49th Parallel
>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
>> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in
>> anarchy"
>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
>> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni
>> katika machafuko"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Okello
>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 3:01 AM
>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: uganda...@yahoogroups.com; <ugandanet@kym.net>
>> Subject: Re: [UGANDACOM] RE: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side
>> of
>> the Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>
>> Rajab Ali,
>>
>> Was my letter to you, that the Wellesley bumpkin complains about,
>> "abusive"?. I thought it was a cogent and deliciouslyl written piece that
>> outlines my position on Contradictions in very clear terms. But I
>> understand
>> Mr Edward Mulindwa's dilemma. We are on totally different levels, and I
>> now
>> accept it was wrong for me to engage such a man in discussion on
>> complicated
>> philosophical concepts that he has never been introduced to.Philosophy is
>> a
>> very difficult subject as it is, even to those who have studied it. next
>> time, I will try to communicate with the chap at his level, howewer
>> frustrating this is..
>>
>> George Okello
>>
>> On 5/10/15, Rajab Ali <raj62...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ayiiiiiiiii!!!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 10 May 2015, at 00:01, "'Herrn Edward Mulindwa' mulin...@look.ca
>>>> [UGANDACOM]" <uganda...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> George Okello,
>>>>
>>>> Debating with you reduces one's credibility and for that matter, I am
>>>> about to reduce or terminate completely my interaction with you on
>>>> this forum. Debating with you is no different from telling a dog
>>>> barking in the dark to shut up. You grew up tending goats in Dokolo
>>>> and did not learn any manners to interact with your fellow human
>>>> being. In Buganda, our goats were taken care of by "Balalo". Even
>>>> though the "Balalo" spent their entire day with animals in bush
>>>> traveling 10-15 miles every day, they still knew how to behave with
>>>> them, with respect and dignity. Because they lived with Baganda who
>>>> trained their children from an early to behave and respect others. My
>>>> tribe, the Baganda and the Nubians whom you are trying to impose on
>>>> me had and still have characters and manners. We never address any
>>>> one as a man with a mind bender, we never address people as humans with
>>>> dementia as if we remind then on when to shit let alone where.
>>>> But again we are neither Langi let alone Acholi.
>>>>
>>>> Growing up in the village, one had to behave with respect, because
>>>> before social mobility to effect on society one married from the same
>>>> village.
>>>> Parents therefore paid close attention to both boys and girls just in
>>>> case the same boy they know knocked on their doors saying I am in
>>>> love with your daughter and I would propose. If they had behaved like
>>>> an Okello George that was abandoned to a killer by a very terrible
>>>> mother, no chance sir. You may age being "omuwulu" (permanent
>>>> bachelor).
>>>>
>>>> Reading from your very abusive postings, obviously, there was no one
>>>> to train you to behave in society whether yours or others. In your
>>>> case, your father taught you from an early that killing others in the
>>>> name of power and control is the way to go. What he forgot was that
>>>> Langi had no monopoly on power. Within a span of only 50 years of
>>>> Uganda's independence, they have lost it twice and the chance of
>>>> Langi regaining that power is 1 in a zillion time.
>>>>
>>>> You represent the epitome of what the White man says, "Take the
>>>> African out of the bush, the bush remains in". You are an
>>>> embarrassment to the so-called elite you claim to be part of. You
>>>> have tried for years to be somebody, but you have failed. And you had
>>>> hoped that through UAH you will find some solace but become somebody,
>>>> unfortunately, you found a few of your kind, Peter Gwokto and Ocen
>>>> Nekyon in particular who were trained but brought up in the very same
>>>> abusive manner. As such your hope of being somebody is dashed for
>>>> good. Had you been somebody, by now Museveni would have invited you
>>>> to return home like he did with Chris Opoka, Harold Achema, the late
>>>> Omwony Ojok and of late Sejusa but Samson Mande. Those to Museveni
>>>> still had some juice and could pose threat to his regime. To silence
>>>> them, they had/have to be near him. You, the only thing you can do,
>>>> is make empty noise like a little puppy looking for its mother "Mbu"
>>>> I will Kill Museveni! My God if Ogole a professional killer could not
>>>> do so, what makes you an empty headed Marxist confusing Philippines
>>>> with some outdate ideology think that you can kill Museveni? Museveni
>>>> is not a drunkard like you my friend. He sleeps with one eye open
>>>> with a loaded
>>>> AK47 on his chest and has layers of security around him. If I were
>>>> you I would just shut up and instead of making a fool of myself. The
>>>> days of Acholi and Langi treating Ugandans like goats are over my
>>>> friend. If 30 years and counting does not teach you something, I do
>>>> not know what else will do so.
>>>>
>>>> Have a good weekend and continue drinking your liver to death as you
>>>> normally do on weekends.
>>>>
>>>> EM
>>>> On the 49th Parallel
>>>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
>>>> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is
>>>> in anarchy"
>>>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George
>>>> Okello
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM
>>>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> Cc: ugandanet@kym.net; Ugandan Discussion Forum
>>>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the Moshi
>>>> Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>>
>>>> Edward Mulindwa,
>>>>
>>>> I assume this is your cowardly way of withdrawing from the discussion?
>>>> Remember, you still havealso not answered Allan Barigye's question on
>>>> import of vehicles into Uganda during the Obote 1 regime. This has
>>>> now become a regular habit of yours; when you are confronted with
>>>> intellectual ideas that you do not understand, you try to chisel out.
>>>>
>>>> I will summarise for you my conclusions on Tinyefunza and
>>>> counter-revolutionaries like yourself. Please dont ever again say
>>>> that I support or have supported David Tinyefunza.
>>>>
>>>> This is what I stated:
>>>>
>>>> " I consider David Tinyefunza as no
>>>> longer being in an antagonistic relationship to the struggle of
>>>> Uganda people to liberate themselves, and I can therefore try to win
>>>> him over to the side of the people or support those of his efforts
>>>> that positively add to the progress of and ultimate achievement of
>>>> our overall strategic objective of removing the fascist regime from
>>>> power, whereas with Edward Mulindwa, who is a rabid
>>>> counter-revolutionary with whom I am in open antagonistic
>>>> contradiction, I actively oppose him and seek to suppress him
>>>> politically......................Counter-revolutionaries and criminals
>>>> like Edward Mulindwa must be handled with a very firm hand.
>>>> It is a very big mistake to treat them with kids’ gloves. Chairman
>>>> Mao advised party cadres and organs not to fall into this trap. He
>>>> said:
>>>> "Counter-revolutionaries must be eliminated wherever found, mistakes
>>>> must be corrected whenever discovered."
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> George Okello
>>>>
>>>> On 5/9/15, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote:
>>>> > George Okello
>>>> >
>>>> > With the kind of language you use in public it fits that you never
>>>> > had a father but a thug and a killer.
>>>> >
>>>> > It is sad that we share Uganda with your irks.
>>>> >
>>>> > EM
>>>> > On the 49th Parallel
>>>> > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> > Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
>>>> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> > Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> > [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George
>>>> > Okello
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 7:40 AM
>>>> > To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> > Cc: ugandanet@kym.net; Ugandan Discussion Forum
>>>> > Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
>>>> > Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >
>>>> > Ewdard Mulindwa,
>>>> >
>>>> > Then don't make bogus claims if you are not prepared to read and
>>>> > understand.your opponent's point of view in a debate. This essay
>>>> > explains everything you need to know about my attitude and
>>>> > positions on people like Tinyefunza and yourself. There is nothing
>>>> > abusive about it. It is highly intellectual being based on a
>>>> > dialectical understanding of Uganda's politics. Many people find
>>>> > philosophy difficult to understand, but at least you should make an
>>>> > effort. You are lucky you are not an offspring of my father. The
>>>> > golden rule he enforced as I grew up is never to to disrespect a
>>>> > book, or a validly held opinion. Knowledge was my father's bible.
>>>> > He worshipped knowledge and ideas.
>>>> >
>>>> > George Okello
>>>> >
>>>> > On 5/9/15, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote:
>>>> >> George Okello
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You know very well that as soon as I read an abusive term from
>>>> >> your posting, I delete it, I have thus deleted this one for it
>>>> >> does not make sense reading from you. Somehow some of us were
>>>> >> brought up that way, we can only function in a society where we
>>>> >> respect each other.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When you become civilized enough to reach publicly using
>>>> >> acceptable language you know where to find me sir.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> EM
>>>> >> On the 49th Parallel
>>>> >> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> >> Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
>>>> >> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> >> Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George
>>>> >> Okello
>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 7:00 AM
>>>> >> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >> Cc: ugandanet@kym.net; Ugandan Discussion Forum
>>>> >> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
>>>> >> Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Edward Mulindwa,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On the bogus points you raise above and especially your claim that
>>>> >> I supported or support David Tinyefunza, please read this long
>>>> >> essay which I wrote to you and to Rajab Ali about six months ago.
>>>> >> I am not surprised that you have totally forgotten about it. Your
>>>> >> dementia gets worse by the day. I am therefore taking the liberty
>>>> >> of re-posting it to you so that it can jog your memory. I could
>>>> >> not have been more clearer in expostulating my ideological and
>>>> >> political position.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> George Okello
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 5/9/15, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote:
>>>> >>> George Okello
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There are several statements you have made that puzzle me, if you
>>>> >>> have been in the forum for three years why should I really burn
>>>> >>> gas with you? There are members that have been in these forums
>>>> >>> that understand what my stand has always been, but there are
>>>> >>> members of UPC that have followed my stand on the party that are in
>>>> >>> this forum.
>>>> >>> I threw Nyar'
>>>> >>> to you for she blindly followed you when you burnt her alive in
>>>> >>> this forum. And now you are claiming that she is not your victim?
>>>> >>> George go back and read your exchanges with her during the time
>>>> >>> of last Delegate conference. George, Museveni UPDF Samson Mande
>>>> >>> and Tinyefunza in particular, committed crimes to the people of
>>>> >>> Northern Uganda. I was surprised that you sided with Tinyefunza
>>>> >>> when he was in London for the man is a criminal that should be
>>>> >>> charged, but it is very irresponsible for you to state that
>>>> >>> Acholi did not commit crimes to themselves. That kind of argument
>>>> >>> is neither productive nor intelligent.
>>>> >>> Third, you have told us before that iddi Amin murdered 3,000,000
>>>> >>> people, today you are claiming that he murdered 1,500,0000 did
>>>> >>> the other half resurrect or you just throw numbers for the sake
>>>> >>> of throwing them? If he murdered that many UPC members why didn't
>>>> >>> you charge him when you came to power?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Lastly, George you have claimed that you are in diaspora to
>>>> >>> oppose Museveni and remove him from power, what a fallacy !!!!!!!!
>>>> >>> Museveni is a very shrewd man that knows, attacks but neutralize
>>>> >>> his real enemies, and you are simply not listed among his real
>>>> >>> enemies.
>>>> >>> Watch very carefully what he has just achieved. You see just
>>>> >>> before elections, he has been able to effectively eliminate both
>>>> >>> external and internal oppositions. Tinyefunza and Kyakabaale are
>>>> >>> both
>>>> >>> home.
>>>> >>> Men that used to oppose him publicly as MP Jimmy Akena, Chris
>>>> >>> Opoka and Achema have been either rendered quite or now work for
>>>> >>> Uganda government. The opposition at home, the so-called
>>>> >>> political parties (FDC, UPC & DP) are scattered like white ants
>>>> >>> coming out of the hole following sunlight. Forums such as UAH are
>>>> >>> reduced to recycling, coping and pasting whatever is happening in
>>>> >>> Kampala, or become name calling center by men like yourself. The
>>>> >>> international community is pre-occupied with global terrorism,
>>>> >>> and has no time for small time dictators such as Museveni. With
>>>> >>> all that combined, Museveni has Ugandans by the balls, he can
>>>> >>> squeeze
>>>> >>> them at any time he so wants.
>>>> >>> It is interesting that we talk of the lost counties, when an
>>>> >>> entire country is lost! We have honestly fallen back into blaming
>>>> >>> Iddi Amin for our failures, because it is easier and cheaper to
>>>> >>> blame a dead man.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Baganda need to change their saying "Sabasajja awangale" to
>>>> >>> "Museveni awangale" with immediate effect.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> EM
>>>> >>> On the 49th Parallel
>>>> >>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> >>> Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
>>>> >>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> >>> Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George
>>>> >>> Okello
>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:45 AM
>>>> >>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
>>>> >>> Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Edward Mulindwa,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have been a member of this forum for three years and more. I
>>>> >>> don't need to refer to Nyar Onyango for anything because I read
>>>> >>> you everyday. Your obsession with and vitriolic hatred of the UPC
>>>> >>> and of President Obote in particular is very well known. Your
>>>> >>> xenophobic hatred of the Acholi and Langi people is well known.
>>>> >>> Your support of the genocide carried out by the NRA in Northern
>>>> >>> Uganda is very well known. You have lately in your so=called
>>>> >>> series tried to blame the Acholi and Langi people for their
>>>> >>> suffering under Museveni. You are a former henchman of the
>>>> >>> murderous dictator Idi Amin Dada and you have written here almost
>>>> >>> on a daily basis in support of Amin's coup in
>>>> >>> 1971 which led to the deaths of at least 1.5 million innocent
>>>> >>> Ugandans, a majority of them members of the UPC. During
>>>> >>> Museveni's bush war, you collaborated with the NRA in the murder
>>>> >>> of thousands of members of the UPC.
>>>> >>> If this litany of gross violations against a party and its
>>>> >>> members is called "defending it", then the word "defending has
>>>> >>> been given a totally new meaning of which I am not aware. Nyar
>>>> >>> Onyango is not my victim, I have never had any disagreement with
>>>> >>> her even in debates here on this forum and I don't see why I
>>>> >>> should consult her about anything. Edward Mulindwa, do you think
>>>> >>> I need the help of Eunice Nyar Onyango to explain to me what you
>>>> >>> have been writing on this forum for the last three years? Am I
>>>> >>> illiterate and have I suddenly lost my cognitive ability so that
>>>> >>> I can't remember the vitriolic attacks you launch day in and day
>>>> >>> out on the UPC and its leaders? It is this kind of stupidity that
>>>> >>> makes me worry about the state of your mental health.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> George Okello
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 5/9/15, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote:
>>>> >>>> George Okello
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> "For the three years I have been a member of this forum, when
>>>> >>>> have you defended UPC or its leaders and members? People like
>>>> >>>> you should never be allowed on any forum for intellectual debate
>>>> >>>> if you can make such an absurd statement." -George Okello
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I am not going to respond to that question, what I am going to
>>>> >>>> do this lovely time around, is to refer you to your past victim
>>>> >>>> but now knew partner in the Iddi Amin attack, Nyar' And just in
>>>> >>>> case you do not know her direct Email address it is
>>>> >>>> nyaronya...@hotmail.com Kindly get the strength and ask that
>>>> >>>> question to her now that you are in her camp, for she is a UPC
>>>> >>>> member and witnessed my entire defense of the deceased party.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thank you sir and say hello to all yours truly.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> EM
>>>> >>>> On the 49th Parallel
>>>> >>>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> >>>> Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
>>>> >>>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
>>>> >>>> Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
>>>> >>>> machafuko"
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George
>>>> >>>> Okello
>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:55 AM
>>>> >>>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
>>>> >>>> Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Edward Mulindwa,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I think your mental health has seriously deteriorated. Do you
>>>> >>>> believe what you write or do you just write for the sake of it?
>>>> >>>> For the three years I have been a member of this forum, when
>>>> >>>> have you defended UPC or its leaders and members? People like
>>>> >>>> you should never be allowed on any forum for intellectual debate
>>>> >>>> if you can make such an absurd statement.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> George Okello
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 5/8/15, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Mwami A Ssemakula
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> You have written very well but here is another addition,
>>>> >>>>> Ugandans have stubbornly refused to use history to build the
>>>> >>>>> future, if there was ever going to be a party to succeed in
>>>> >>>>> Uganda would have been UPC, it was in power and ran the
>>>> >>>>> country. But when you listen to them closely, they have no
>>>> >>>>> mistake, they have no point to reflect on past and they have no
>>>> >>>>> point where they say we should have done better at this part.
>>>> >>>>> They ran Obote one government on everywhere UPC, and Twagala
>>>> >>>>> Obote nga ssente. On coming back to Uganda they started to sing
>>>> >>>>> the very same song right in Bushenyi. They changed absolutely
>>>> >>>>> nothing including making Obote again a president. But UPC
>>>> >>>>> believes very strongly into violence, it was a violent party in
>>>> >>>>> the 60s it became a violent party under Obote two to make many
>>>> >>>>> of us this time run for our lives. When you look closely at UAH
>>>> >>>>> forum the most abusive people are again UPC members. The people
>>>> >>>>> that threaten other members to even death, are again UPC
>>>> >>>>> members. And this is the problem they have, all along in their
>>>> >>>>> leadership they never negotiated with any one, if you
>>>> >>>>> misunderstand them, they get you under a cover of the night and
>>>> >>>>> shoot you. That is why when you start a series their only
>>>> >>>>> option is to promise you a bullet. They have the most difficult
>>>> >>>>> time arguing issues factually, for that is not embedded into
>>>> >>>>> them.
>>>> >>>>> Did Amin buy trucks lifting garbage bins?
>>>> >>>>> Well an executive told me that Amin had heads in freezer. And
>>>> >>>>> that answer is through frustration for facts must be hidden, EM
>>>> >>>>> must be shot but my God how do we get a bullet to him? George
>>>> >>>>> Okello has just called Arnold Bisase’s writing trash. There you
>>>> >>>>> go for that is the language of Uganda House.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Lastly Uganda politics was not built on party systems in as
>>>> >>>>> much as we want to believe, it was actually built on groups.
>>>> >>>>> UPC survived for it had a cradle of Langi and Acholi, but that
>>>> >>>>> cradle survived for it has the entire region of West Nile. The
>>>> >>>>> moment Acholi murdered Langi, West Nilers, Madi, Lugbara and so
>>>> >>>>> on, they ended up alone. They have numbers but they have no
>>>> >>>>> leadership talent. With that kind of background when you have
>>>> >>>>> such violent people with numbers but no leadership value,
>>>> >>>>> Acholi remain the only expendable tribe in our country, and we
>>>> >>>>> need to spend a very good time to understand who are Acholi for
>>>> >>>>> we are going to deal with them a whole whack.
>>>> >>>>> When you split the cradle of the party to such small entities
>>>> >>>>> you have no shot at running that party. UPC is a dead party we
>>>> >>>>> might as well move on with our lives.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On record I remain a single man that is not a UPC member, and
>>>> >>>>> not a card holder that has publicly defended that party the most.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> EM
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On the 49th Parallel
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni,
>>>> >>>>> Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
>>>> >>>>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
>>>> >>>>> Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
>>>> >>>>> machafuko"
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abudul
>>>> >>>>> Semakula
>>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:41 AM
>>>> >>>>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
>>>> >>>>> Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Mr George Okello,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> You can feel free reading the UPC versions circulating on the
>>>> >>>>> Moshi conference.The fact is UPC is no longer in Statehouse so
>>>> >>>>> there are competing versions of the conference.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> In my opinion a lot of what was offered by our UPC brothers at
>>>> >>>>> the Moshi conference was edited or manufactured trash.History
>>>> >>>>> is very stubborn it cannot be rewritten and the truth always
>>>> >>>>> comes out.The foolishness on the part of Mwalimu Nyerere and
>>>> >>>>> Obote helped put an unlikely resident in Statehouse who has
>>>> >>>>> been there for the last 30 years!
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:17 AM, George Okello
>>>> >>>>> <opal...@gmail.com <mailto:opal...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Who is Arnold Bisasa? I have never heard of the chap? I wonder
>>>> >>>>> whether it is worthwhile reading his book, but by look of it,
>>>> >>>>> it seesm to be manifactured trash.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> George Okello
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 5/8/15, ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> <ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> Abudul:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Feel free to narrate Arnold Bisase's side of the story which
>>>> >>>>>> is also subjective.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Ocen
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>> >>>>>> From: Abudul Semakula
>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 22:20
>>>> >>>>>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> >>>>>> Reply To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
>>>> >>>>>> Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> The "Guardian Angel" by Arnold Bisase narrates the Moshi
>>>> >>>>>> conference from start to finish.Dr Bisase is unapologtically
>>>> >>>>>> pro Lule.He narrates in painstaking detail the dishonesty and
>>>> >>>>>> immorality at play at the Moshi conference. So most UPC chaps
>>>> >>>>>> read the book and turn around and tell you that no one else
>>>> >>>>>> besides the UPC chaps have written about the Moshi conference.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Total baloney if you ask me.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I would urge anybody who wants to know more about the Moshi
>>>> >>>>>> conference to read the book.It shows the kind of charlattans
>>>> >>>>>> we had sitting at Moshi.It shows Mwalimu Nyerere in very
>>>> >>>>>> unflattering colours.He does not look very saintly if I may
>>>> >>>>>> say so.The book also narrates Dr Kanyeihamba's level of
>>>> >>>>>> involvement in the Moshi conference.The book also touches on
>>>> >>>>>> British and Isreali involvement in the removal of Idi
>>>> >>>>>> Amin.Lule's administration was short lived but so was Milton
>>>> >>>>>> Obote's who thought he could slide in by rigging elections in
>>>> >>>>>> 1980.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Most of our UPC chaps would like us to believe that Mwalimu
>>>> >>>>>> Nyerere with a little urging from his friend Obote woke up and
>>>> >>>>>> decided to remove Idi Amin in 1979.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I would respectfully say that our UPC friends are being very
>>>> >>>>>> economical with the truth when they make these extravagant
>>>> >>>>>> claims.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:22 PM, <ocennek...@gmail.com
>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Pojim:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> I have always said that 'The Moshi Conference,' was one of
>>>> >>>>>>> Uganda's monumental events in the country's history. It was
>>>> >>>>>>> as important as the Lancaster Conference before independence.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> I have read excerpts of George Kanyeihamba's book, where he
>>>> >>>>>>> gives insightful views about how then President Yusuf Luke,
>>>> >>>>>>> ran his short government.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> The fellow(Lule) was out of his depth.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> As to why many of the major players during that period, did
>>>> >>>>>>> not write books, your guess is as good as mine. Prof Edward
>>>> >>>>>>> Rugumayo, is still very alive.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Ocen
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>> >>>>>>> From: 'edward pojim' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 18:31
>>>> >>>>>>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>>>> Reply To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of
>>>> >>>>>>> the Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or
>>>> >>>>>>> ignorance?
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Ocen;
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> History is indeed written by the victors.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> No two writers on the Moshi Conference have come up with the
>>>> >>>>>>> same recollection of events there. Whether it's due to mental
>>>> >>>>>>> fog occasioned by advancing age, or deliberate twisting of
>>>> >>>>>>> the narrative to elevate the writers, we who were not there,
>>>> >>>>>>> are the losers.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> We are the losers here because what happened in Moshi in 1979
>>>> >>>>>>> continues to influence our lives today. And since we cannot
>>>> >>>>>>> lay out hands on the accurate recollection of those events,
>>>> >>>>>>> we are unlikely to find a solution to what is ailing our
>>>> >>>>>>> country.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Pojim
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>> >>>>>>> From: "ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> "
>>>> >>>>>>> <ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> >
>>>> >>>>>>> To: Ugandans At Heart <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> >
>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 2:45 PM
>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the
>>>> >>>>>>> Moshi Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.observer.ug/viewpoint/37719-deliberately-distortin
>>>> >>>>>>> g-h
>>>> >>>>>>> i
>>>> >>>>>>> s
>>>> >>>>>>> t
>>>> >>>>>>> o
>>>> >>>>>>> ry-or-ignorance
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>> >>>>>>> Last Updated: 07 May 2015
>>>> >>>>>>> [image]I recently read a written account of the ‘UNLF rise
>>>> >>>>>>> and fall from power’ by Israel Kayongo and a Dr Peter
>>>> >>>>>>> Senabulya with interest and forbearing.
>>>> >>>>>>> The interest was aroused by the distortion of what happened
>>>> >>>>>>> at the Moshi conference supported by the Tanzanian government
>>>> >>>>>>> and Ugandan exiles.
>>>> >>>>>>> Fortunately, many of us who originated, controlled or
>>>> >>>>>>> resolved political matters that shaped events both before and
>>>> >>>>>>> after the fall of Idi Amin’s regime of 1971-1979 are still
>>>> >>>>>>> alive.
>>>> >>>>>>> We remember what happened and who was who in that period of
>>>> >>>>>>> our history.
>>>> >>>>>>> Some of us actively participated in the decision-making
>>>> >>>>>>> processes of that era. Many of us have written and published
>>>> >>>>>>> materials on the period and disagree with some of the
>>>> >>>>>>> observations advanced by Dr Senabulya and Mr Kayongo.
>>>> >>>>>>> One needs to read Prof Abdul Kasozi’s book, The cause of
>>>> >>>>>>> violence in Uganda, to understand the events of the Moshi
>>>> >>>>>>> conference in Tanzania. My own contribution in my book
>>>> >>>>>>> Constitutional and Political History of Uganda From 1894 to
>>>> >>>>>>> the Present, should not be ignored.
>>>> >>>>>>> More so, chapters titled, Age of Militarism in Uganda, Power
>>>> >>>>>>> Rides Naked through Uganda Under the Muzzle of the Gun, The
>>>> >>>>>>> National Resistance Movement in the Bush and Drama at Mwanza
>>>> >>>>>>> will surely help one to understand events differently.
>>>> >>>>>>> I personally attended and actively participated in all the
>>>> >>>>>>> meetings and decision-making fora both prior and after the
>>>> >>>>>>> Moshi Unity Conference. Mr Kayongo and Dr Senabulya attended
>>>> >>>>>>> some but not all meetings relating to the events they describe.
>>>> >>>>>>> I recall many Ugandans who were invited to Nairobi under
>>>> >>>>>>> different missions but all aimed at discussing what to do
>>>> >>>>>>> about the Amin regime.
>>>> >>>>>>> The
>>>> >>>>>>> first joint meeting of Uganda exiles from Europe, the USA and
>>>> >>>>>>> East Africa was initially held in Nairobi. Many of us had
>>>> >>>>>>> been invited to attend the wedding of Stephen Tindikyebwa.
>>>> >>>>>>> He was then one of the wealthy Ugandans in exile and was able
>>>> >>>>>>> to facilitate the travel and stay in Nairobi of many of us.
>>>> >>>>>>> We planned the overthrow of the Idi Amin regime. This was in
>>>> >>>>>>> the night and morning of December 31, 1978, and January 1,
>>>> >>>>>>> 1979.
>>>> >>>>>>> A few days later, we met with other Uganda exiles, mostly in
>>>> >>>>>>> Kenya and from Tanzania, in the business office of Israel
>>>> >>>>>>> Kayongo, who also attended that meeting. Within less than an
>>>> >>>>>>> hour, that meeting was aborted because of the rumour that the
>>>> >>>>>>> Kenyan security forces were about to raid it, arrest and hand
>>>> >>>>>>> us to Uganda government authorities.
>>>> >>>>>>> Personally, that was the last time I saw or noticed Israel in
>>>> >>>>>>> any meeting of Ugandan exiles. The rumour turned out false,
>>>> >>>>>>> having been started and spread by people who did not welcome
>>>> >>>>>>> the unity of all opposition groups who wished to oust the
>>>> >>>>>>> Amin regime from power or who had different agendas.
>>>> >>>>>>> Later, we were invited and assembled in the residence of Prof
>>>> >>>>>>> Tarsis Kabwegyere, then a temporal visiting professor at
>>>> >>>>>>> Nairobi University but genuinely in exile from the Amin
>>>> >>>>>>> brutality.
>>>> >>>>>>> As our host, he was elected chairman of the steering
>>>> >>>>>>> committee we set up to head and guide all the decisions of
>>>> >>>>>>> exiles and other Ugandans desirous of overthrowing the Idi Amin
>>>> >>>>>>> regime.
>>>> >>>>>>> The committee we formed in Kabwegyere’s residence included
>>>> >>>>>>> the likes of Drs Yash Tandon, Andrew Kayiira, this writer and
>>>> >>>>>>> Omwony Ojwok.
>>>> >>>>>>> The committee became the vital planner and link between all
>>>> >>>>>>> the anti-Amin groups and the Tanzanian government of Mwalimu
>>>> >>>>>>> Julius Nyerere and its then foreign minister, Benjamin Mpaka.
>>>> >>>>>>> Without the courageous contribution of these two great
>>>> >>>>>>> Tanzanian leaders, the Moshi conference would not have taken
>>>> >>>>>>> place or succeeded in its objectives. The Idi Amin terrorist
>>>> >>>>>>> regime would have lasted much longer than anyone wanted.
>>>> >>>>>>> While I invite everyone to read the literature referred to
>>>> >>>>>>> earlier, the following in Kayongo’s narrative must be
>>>> >>>>>>> corrected.
>>>> >>>>>>> It was not Tarsis Kabwegyere who called for the nomination of
>>>> >>>>>>> candidates for the chairmanship of the UNLF but the late
>>>> >>>>>>> Semei Nyanzi.
>>>> >>>>>>> In a surprise move, members of the steering committee
>>>> >>>>>>> convinced the delegates to vote Kabwegyere out of the chair
>>>> >>>>>>> and replace him with Semei Nyanzi. Kabwegyere had been slow
>>>> >>>>>>> in realizing that the UPC delegation was maneuvering and
>>>> >>>>>>> posturing to frustrate the deliberations. We stopped them and
>>>> >>>>>>> Nyanzi turned out to be an excellent and effective chairman.
>>>> >>>>>>> There had been exchanges between exiles that Yusuf Lule
>>>> >>>>>>> should become the chairman of the UNLF by acclamation and
>>>> >>>>>>> Nyerere had agreed to the choice.
>>>> >>>>>>> When Nyanzi called for nominations, Bishop Zacchaeus Okoth
>>>> >>>>>>> literally jumped up within seconds of the chairman’s call and
>>>> >>>>>>> nominated Paulo Muwanga.
>>>> >>>>>>> Most delegates were taken by surprise by this nomination. The
>>>> >>>>>>> late Sam Sebagereka, a member of the Uganda Group for Human
>>>> >>>>>>> Rights, almost in tears, criticized the bishop for nominating
>>>> >>>>>>> an ardent Oboteist who was a liar, a thief and a dishonest
>>>> >>>>>>> rogue.
>>>> >>>>>>> In mid-protests, I whispered to Sebagereka to nominate Yusuf
>>>> >>>>>>> Lule, which he did.
>>>> >>>>>>> Kayongo narrates that there was a choice between the two
>>>> >>>>>>> candidates.
>>>> >>>>>>> That
>>>> >>>>>>> is incorrect. Nyanzi’s skills and experience made him realize
>>>> >>>>>>> that if we were divided over the two candidates, the
>>>> >>>>>>> Tanzanian government and people would conclude that we were
>>>> >>>>>>> not serious about our agreed objective.
>>>> >>>>>>> Therefore, Nyanzi quickly called for adjournment and directed
>>>> >>>>>>> that consultations be held to ensure that only one candidate
>>>> >>>>>>> was nominated.
>>>> >>>>>>> That is how Lule came to be elected unopposed.
>>>> >>>>>>> It is true that had there been an election, Muwanga would
>>>> >>>>>>> have received very few votes, mainly of the UPC delegation.
>>>> >>>>>>> However, in nominating Muwanga, the UPC strategists knew that
>>>> >>>>>>> Muwanga would not win but they were aiming at another post
>>>> >>>>>>> which later turned out to be the most crucial in the
>>>> >>>>>>> overthrow of the short-lived administration of Yusuf Lule.
>>>> >>>>>>> The UPC had all along wanted to head the military commission
>>>> >>>>>>> of the UNLF.
>>>> >>>>>>> They knew its future role in the event of a struggle for
>>>> >>>>>>> power in the liberation movement.
>>>> >>>>>>> Most of the delegates were ignorant of the importance of the
>>>> >>>>>>> military commission. It eventually overthrew the UNLF
>>>> >>>>>>> leadership and handed political power back to the former
>>>> >>>>>>> president, Dr Milton Obote.
>>>> >>>>>>> In passing, it can be contritely said that many of the events
>>>> >>>>>>> which took place at Mwanza town and elsewhere following the
>>>> >>>>>>> overthrow of both Lule and Godfrey Binaisa as presidents were
>>>> >>>>>>> in many aspects inaccurately reported by Kayongo and Dr
>>>> >>>>>>> Senabulya.
>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone interested in knowing the true facts is advised to
>>>> >>>>>>> peruse, internalise and compare and contrast Kayongo’s recall
>>>> >>>>>>> of events with other publications’ narrations and reports of
>>>> >>>>>>> others.
>>>> >>>>>>> The author is a retired Supreme court judge.
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