George Okello
"For the three years I have been a member of this forum, when have you defended
UPC or its leaders and members? People like you should never be allowed on any
forum for intellectual debate if you can make such an absurd statement."
-George Okello
I am not going to respond to that question, what I am going to do this lovely
time around, is to refer you to your past victim but now knew partner in the
Iddi Amin attack, Nyar' And just in case you do not know her direct Email
address it is nyaronya...@hotmail.com Kindly get the strength and ask that
question to her now that you are in her camp, for she is a UPC member and
witnessed my entire defense of the deceased party.
Thank you sir and say hello to all yours truly.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Okello
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:55 AM
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the Moshi
Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
Edward Mulindwa,
I think your mental health has seriously deteriorated. Do you believe what you
write or do you just write for the sake of it? For the three years I have been
a member of this forum, when have you defended UPC or its leaders and members?
People like you should never be allowed on any forum for intellectual debate if
you can make such an absurd statement.
George Okello
On 5/8/15, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca> wrote:
> Mwami A Ssemakula
>
>
>
> You have written very well but here is another addition, Ugandans have
> stubbornly refused to use history to build the future, if there was
> ever going to be a party to succeed in Uganda would have been UPC, it
> was in power and ran the country. But when you listen to them closely,
> they have no mistake, they have no point to reflect on past and they
> have no point where they say we should have done better at this part.
> They ran Obote one government on everywhere UPC, and Twagala Obote nga
> ssente. On coming back to Uganda they started to sing the very same
> song right in Bushenyi. They changed absolutely nothing including
> making Obote again a president. But UPC believes very strongly into
> violence, it was a violent party in the 60s it became a violent party
> under Obote two to make many of us this time run for our lives. When
> you look closely at UAH forum the most abusive people are again UPC
> members. The people that threaten other members to even death, are
> again UPC members. And this is the problem they have, all along in
> their leadership they never negotiated with any one, if you
> misunderstand them, they get you under a cover of the night and shoot
> you. That is why when you start a series their only option is to
> promise you a bullet. They have the most difficult time arguing issues
> factually, for that is not embedded into them. Did Amin buy trucks
> lifting garbage bins? Well an executive told me that Amin had heads in
> freezer. And that answer is through frustration for facts must be hidden, EM
> must be shot but my God how do we get a bullet to him? George Okello has just
> called Arnold Bisase’s writing
> trash. There you go for that is the language
> of Uganda House.
>
>
>
> Lastly Uganda politics was not built on party systems in as much as we
> want to believe, it was actually built on groups. UPC survived for it
> had a cradle of Langi and Acholi, but that cradle survived for it has
> the entire region of West Nile. The moment Acholi murdered Langi, West
> Nilers, Madi, Lugbara and so on, they ended up alone. They have
> numbers but they have no leadership talent. With that kind of
> background when you have such violent people with numbers but no
> leadership value, Acholi remain the only expendable tribe in our
> country, and we need to spend a very good time to understand who are Acholi
> for we are going to deal with them a whole whack.
> When you split the cradle of the party to such small entities you have
> no shot at running that party. UPC is a dead party we might as well
> move on with our lives.
>
>
>
> On record I remain a single man that is not a UPC member, and not a
> card holder that has publicly defended that party the most.
>
>
>
> EM
>
> On the 49th Parallel
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> machafuko"
>
> From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Abudul
> Semakula
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:41 AM
> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the Moshi
> Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>
>
>
> Mr George Okello,
>
>
>
> You can feel free reading the UPC versions circulating on the Moshi
> conference.The fact is UPC is no longer in Statehouse so there are
> competing versions of the conference.
>
> In my opinion a lot of what was offered by our UPC brothers at the
> Moshi conference was edited or manufactured trash.History is very
> stubborn it cannot be rewritten and the truth always comes out.The
> foolishness on the part of Mwalimu Nyerere and Obote helped put an
> unlikely resident in Statehouse who has been there for the last 30 years!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:17 AM, George Okello <opal...@gmail.com
> <mailto:opal...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Who is Arnold Bisasa? I have never heard of the chap? I wonder whether
> it is worthwhile reading his book, but by look of it, it seesm to be
> manifactured trash.
>
> George Okello
>
>
> On 5/8/15, ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com>
> <ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> Abudul:
>>
>> Feel free to narrate Arnold Bisase's side of the story which is also
>> subjective.
>>
>>
>> Ocen
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>> From: Abudul Semakula
>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 22:20
>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
>> Reply To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the Moshi
>> Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>
>> The "Guardian Angel" by Arnold Bisase narrates the Moshi conference
>> from start to finish.Dr Bisase is unapologtically pro Lule.He
>> narrates in painstaking detail the dishonesty and immorality at play
>> at the Moshi conference. So most UPC chaps read the book and turn
>> around and tell you that no one else besides the UPC chaps have
>> written about the Moshi conference.
>>
>> Total baloney if you ask me.
>>
>> I would urge anybody who wants to know more about the Moshi
>> conference to read the book.It shows the kind of charlattans we had
>> sitting at Moshi.It shows Mwalimu Nyerere in very unflattering
>> colours.He does not look very saintly if I may say so.The book also
>> narrates Dr Kanyeihamba's level of involvement in the Moshi
>> conference.The book also touches on British and Isreali involvement
>> in the removal of Idi Amin.Lule's administration was short lived but
>> so was Milton Obote's who thought he could slide in by rigging
>> elections in 1980.
>>
>> Most of our UPC chaps would like us to believe that Mwalimu Nyerere
>> with a little urging from his friend Obote woke up and decided to
>> remove Idi Amin in 1979.
>>
>> I would respectfully say that our UPC friends are being very
>> economical with the truth when they make these extravagant claims.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:22 PM, <ocennek...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Pojim:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have always said that 'The Moshi Conference,' was one of Uganda's
>>> monumental events in the country's history. It was as important as
>>> the Lancaster Conference before independence.
>>>
>>> I have read excerpts of George Kanyeihamba's book, where he gives
>>> insightful views about how then President Yusuf Luke, ran his short
>>> government.
>>>
>>> The fellow(Lule) was out of his depth.
>>>
>>> As to why many of the major players during that period, did not
>>> write books, your guess is as good as mine. Prof Edward Rugumayo,
>>> is still very alive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ocen
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>> From: 'edward pojim' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 18:31
>>> To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>> Reply To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the Moshi
>>> Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>
>>> Ocen;
>>>
>>> History is indeed written by the victors.
>>>
>>> No two writers on the Moshi Conference have come up with the same
>>> recollection of events there. Whether it's due to mental fog
>>> occasioned by advancing age, or deliberate twisting of the narrative
>>> to elevate the writers, we who were not there, are the losers.
>>>
>>> We are the losers here because what happened in Moshi in 1979
>>> continues to influence our lives today. And since we cannot lay out
>>> hands on the accurate recollection of those events, we are unlikely
>>> to find a solution to what is ailing our country.
>>>
>>> Pojim
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> "
>>> <ocennek...@gmail.com <mailto:ocennek...@gmail.com> >
>>> To: Ugandans At Heart <ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> >
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 2:45 PM
>>> Subject: {UAH} Pojim/WBK: George Kanyeihamba's side of the Moshi
>>> Conference! Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>>
>>> http://www.observer.ug/viewpoint/37719-deliberately-distorting-histo
>>> ry-or-ignorance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Deliberately distorting history or ignorance?
>>> Last Updated: 07 May 2015
>>> [image]I recently read a written account of the ‘UNLF rise and fall
>>> from power’ by Israel Kayongo and a Dr Peter Senabulya with interest
>>> and forbearing.
>>> The interest was aroused by the distortion of what happened at the
>>> Moshi conference supported by the Tanzanian government and Ugandan exiles.
>>> Fortunately, many of us who originated, controlled or resolved
>>> political matters that shaped events both before and after the fall
>>> of Idi Amin’s regime of 1971-1979 are still alive.
>>> We remember what happened and who was who in that period of our history.
>>> Some of us actively participated in the decision-making processes of
>>> that era. Many of us have written and published materials on the
>>> period and disagree with some of the observations advanced by Dr
>>> Senabulya and Mr Kayongo.
>>> One needs to read Prof Abdul Kasozi’s book, The cause of violence in
>>> Uganda, to understand the events of the Moshi conference in
>>> Tanzania. My own contribution in my book Constitutional and
>>> Political History of Uganda From 1894 to the Present, should not be
>>> ignored.
>>> More so, chapters titled, Age of Militarism in Uganda, Power Rides
>>> Naked through Uganda Under the Muzzle of the Gun, The National
>>> Resistance Movement in the Bush and Drama at Mwanza will surely help
>>> one to understand events differently.
>>> I personally attended and actively participated in all the meetings
>>> and decision-making fora both prior and after the Moshi Unity
>>> Conference. Mr Kayongo and Dr Senabulya attended some but not all
>>> meetings relating to the events they describe.
>>> I recall many Ugandans who were invited to Nairobi under different
>>> missions but all aimed at discussing what to do about the Amin regime.
>>> The
>>> first joint meeting of Uganda exiles from Europe, the USA and East
>>> Africa was initially held in Nairobi. Many of us had been invited to
>>> attend the wedding of Stephen Tindikyebwa.
>>> He was then one of the wealthy Ugandans in exile and was able to
>>> facilitate the travel and stay in Nairobi of many of us. We planned
>>> the overthrow of the Idi Amin regime. This was in the night and
>>> morning of December 31, 1978, and January 1, 1979.
>>> A few days later, we met with other Uganda exiles, mostly in Kenya
>>> and from Tanzania, in the business office of Israel Kayongo, who
>>> also attended that meeting. Within less than an hour, that meeting
>>> was aborted because of the rumour that the Kenyan security forces
>>> were about to raid it, arrest and hand us to Uganda government
>>> authorities.
>>> Personally, that was the last time I saw or noticed Israel in any
>>> meeting of Ugandan exiles. The rumour turned out false, having been
>>> started and spread by people who did not welcome the unity of all
>>> opposition groups who wished to oust the Amin regime from power or
>>> who had different agendas.
>>> Later, we were invited and assembled in the residence of Prof Tarsis
>>> Kabwegyere, then a temporal visiting professor at Nairobi University
>>> but genuinely in exile from the Amin brutality.
>>> As our host, he was elected chairman of the steering committee we
>>> set up to head and guide all the decisions of exiles and other
>>> Ugandans desirous of overthrowing the Idi Amin regime.
>>> The committee we formed in Kabwegyere’s residence included the likes
>>> of Drs Yash Tandon, Andrew Kayiira, this writer and Omwony Ojwok.
>>> The committee became the vital planner and link between all the
>>> anti-Amin groups and the Tanzanian government of Mwalimu Julius
>>> Nyerere and its then foreign minister, Benjamin Mpaka.
>>> Without the courageous contribution of these two great Tanzanian
>>> leaders, the Moshi conference would not have taken place or
>>> succeeded in its objectives. The Idi Amin terrorist regime would
>>> have lasted much longer than anyone wanted.
>>> While I invite everyone to read the literature referred to earlier,
>>> the following in Kayongo’s narrative must be corrected. It was not
>>> Tarsis Kabwegyere who called for the nomination of candidates for
>>> the chairmanship of the UNLF but the late Semei Nyanzi.
>>> In a surprise move, members of the steering committee convinced the
>>> delegates to vote Kabwegyere out of the chair and replace him with
>>> Semei Nyanzi. Kabwegyere had been slow in realizing that the UPC
>>> delegation was maneuvering and posturing to frustrate the
>>> deliberations. We stopped them and Nyanzi turned out to be an
>>> excellent and effective chairman.
>>> There had been exchanges between exiles that Yusuf Lule should
>>> become the chairman of the UNLF by acclamation and Nyerere had
>>> agreed to the choice.
>>> When Nyanzi called for nominations, Bishop Zacchaeus Okoth literally
>>> jumped up within seconds of the chairman’s call and nominated Paulo
>>> Muwanga.
>>> Most delegates were taken by surprise by this nomination. The late
>>> Sam Sebagereka, a member of the Uganda Group for Human Rights,
>>> almost in tears, criticized the bishop for nominating an ardent
>>> Oboteist who was a liar, a thief and a dishonest rogue. In
>>> mid-protests, I whispered to Sebagereka to nominate Yusuf Lule, which he
>>> did.
>>> Kayongo narrates that there was a choice between the two candidates.
>>> That
>>> is incorrect. Nyanzi’s skills and experience made him realize that
>>> if we were divided over the two candidates, the Tanzanian government
>>> and people would conclude that we were not serious about our agreed
>>> objective.
>>> Therefore, Nyanzi quickly called for adjournment and directed that
>>> consultations be held to ensure that only one candidate was nominated.
>>> That is how Lule came to be elected unopposed.
>>> It is true that had there been an election, Muwanga would have
>>> received very few votes, mainly of the UPC delegation. However, in
>>> nominating Muwanga, the UPC strategists knew that Muwanga would not
>>> win but they were aiming at another post which later turned out to
>>> be the most crucial in the overthrow of the short-lived
>>> administration of Yusuf Lule.
>>> The UPC had all along wanted to head the military commission of the
>>> UNLF.
>>> They knew its future role in the event of a struggle for power in
>>> the liberation movement.
>>> Most of the delegates were ignorant of the importance of the
>>> military commission. It eventually overthrew the UNLF leadership and
>>> handed political power back to the former president, Dr Milton Obote.
>>> In passing, it can be contritely said that many of the events which
>>> took place at Mwanza town and elsewhere following the overthrow of
>>> both Lule and Godfrey Binaisa as presidents were in many aspects
>>> inaccurately reported by Kayongo and Dr Senabulya.
>>> Anyone interested in knowing the true facts is advised to peruse,
>>> internalise and compare and contrast Kayongo’s recall of events with
>>> other publications’ narrations and reports of others.
>>> The author is a retired Supreme court judge.
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