A quick glance at the statistics from the Penn Almanac suggest that it is
safer OFF-CAMPUS than ON-CAMPUS *as soon as I can get my statistician to
verify this I'll let everybody know*
Recently:
http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/between/summer2001crimes/crimes43.html
A collection:
http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/crimes-ABI.html
Thanks,
John Ellingsworth
Virtual Curriculum
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eli Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:52 PM
Subject: Muggings, Penn Student Quotes, and Al Gore
> Hi all.
>
> When I see some credible substantiation for the
> implied mugging risk between Thriftway and FG, I might
> consider the argument presented.
>
> When I see some credible substantiation that FG is in
> any way discouraging "people from the neighborhood"
> from shopping there, I might consider the argument
> presented.
>
> When I see credible substantiation (or even logical
> connection) between one's vote and one's choice in
> supermarkets, especially when one candidate and one
> store both seem to be attracting many of the same
> people (evidenced by Gore's majority in the area and
> Thriftway's alleged troubles since FG opened), I might
> consider the argument presented.
>
> And, finally, when I see some compelling evidence that
> conducting a divisive argument over one's choice in
> grocery stores is more important than discussing
> fairness issues in delivery of city services, fairness
> in resource allocation between city and suburb,
> fairness in educational funding, the one-time spending
> of $250 million of blight money that will be financed
> over decades, the impact of new energy policies on
> urban dwellers (rich and poor), or almost any other
> topic, then I might consider the argument presented.
>
> Until then, I throw these topics out there. In my
> opinion, discussing and debating them might prove more
> valuable to the neighborhood than suggesting that
> one's morality is reflected by his or her relative
> value for produce quality versus the minority/economic
> status of the surrounding shoppers.
>
> --Eli
>
> --- "William H. Magill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The closing of Thriftway would not be a bad
> > thing, IMHO. It's simply the
> > > most disgusting food store I ever had the
> > misfortune to shop in (twice). If
> > > you don't have a car, fresh grocer is what 2
> > blocks down Walnut?
> >
> > Yeah, but you will get mugged walking the 2 blocks
> > between the two -- not
> > to mention the incredibly unsavory atmosphere of so
> > many WHITE kids hanging
> > around outside Fresh Grocer.
> >
> > Does FreshGrocer even take WIC?
> >
> > Lets face it -- Fresh Grocer is a white YUPPIE/DINK
> > store and Thriftway is
> > a Black/Hispanic store. That's the sole reason that
> > Penn pushed so hard to
> > get FreshGrocer to exist -- the students constantly,
> > in survey after
> > survey, year after year, told the administration
> > that they were afraid of
> > all the blacks around and in Thriftway that they
> > wanted someplace closer to
> > shop "where they felt safe" and were not threatened
> > by "people from the
> > neighborhood."
> >
> > It seems that its only the Gore supporters who don't
> > see the raceism
> > inherent in the problems with Thriftway vs
> > Freshgrocer.
> >
> > > Maybe they invested too much into their
> > 'dot-com' extension, and are now
> > > suffering?
> >
> > Neither Thriftway nor FreshGrocer have a "dot-com"
> > extension. Both are
> > clients of real "dot.com" service providers. Fresh
> > Grocer uses GSN - the
> > Grocery Shopping Network from Eden Prarie MN.
> > Thriftway uses "Easy Grocer"
> > from Carteret NJ. Costs associated with either
> > service are virtually
> > non-existant.
> >
> > > Maybe it isn't 'someone else's fault' but
> > entirely that of the
> > > ownership/management?
> >
> > Actually, the problem with Thriftway IS the lack of
> > local ownership.
> > It is owned by the Flemmings -- for Philadelphia
> > people... remember Penn
> > Fruit? -- serious absentee landlords.
> >
> > Hopefully that will change Tomorrow.... either that
> > or the store WILL
> > close.
> >
> > "Brown's Thriftway" was a good store until the
> > Flemmings began selling things
> > off back in the Spring. That's when they sold the
> > 48th street store.
> > The shelves at 42nd streete were emptied recently in
> > preparation for
> > closing the store - tomorrow.
> >
> > Theoretically, the sale papers are to be signed
> > tomorrow (Thursday).
> > Only time will tell. The Union meeting was held last
> > night, but until (and
> > if) the sale papers get signed on Thursday, nothing
> > is real.
> >
> > --
> > www.tru64unix.compaq.com
> > www.tru64.org
> > comp.unix.tru64
> >
> > T.T.F.N.
> > William H. Magill Senior
> > Systems Administrator
> > Information Services and Computing (ISC)
> > University of Pennsylvania
> > Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.isc-net.upenn.edu/~magill/
> >
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