No , I'm entirely serious. 

None of the programs you mention would  seem to be that intensive for a G3. 
I asked the question of you as I have read many posts on the PCI list and the 
Powerbooks list in the past 5 years
from users who insist on running the latest OS on a machine that cannot  handle 
the RAM overhead and / or the cpu demands. For a while they brag of their 
accomplishment and then sometime later cry for help and wonder why their 
unbalanced system crashes, freezes or otherwise provides no joy. 

I was seriously asking for your evaluation. I did not mean to trigger a 
defensive response.

As for justifying my membership to this list you have to be kidding.

Adrian



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From: Bruce Hoult <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 27, 2005 9:21 PM
To: Unsupported OS X <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Tiger success on PDQ G3 PowerBook

On 28/07/2005, at 4:03 AM, W. Adrian D'Alessio ( FluxStringer ) wrote:

> And what exactly can it do beyond simply running the OS?
>
> Hos stable is it under heavy load?
>
> How fast can it run a 3D raytracer or Final Cut?

You've got to be joking.  Why are you even on this list?

I've been running this machine on OSX since early 2001, much of that  
time as my only Mac, though I currently split my time about 50/50  
between the PowerBook and my dual 2.0 G5.

A couple of days ago I was at a developer's meeting, using it to log  
in to a pair of Intel Macs (see my gf's blog http://www.hoult.org/ 
~canllaith/blog/) using ssh over airport extreme, working to bring up  
the Boehm garbage collector and the Gwydion Dylan compiler.  With six  
hours genuine battery life (with two not exactly new batteries in the  
dual bays) I was still going long after others with shiny Ti or Al  
things hit their rechargers.

It runs Tiger noticeably faster than it ran Panther (which was also  
unsupported and ran flawlessly for more than a year).  It ran Panther  
faster than Jaguar (which was supported).  It ran Jaguar *much*  
faster than it ran Puma or Cheeta.

A normal load for this Powerbook consists of some combination of  
Mail.app, iChat, Safari, emacs, Terminal, iTunes, iCal, Colloquy, MT  
NewsWatcher, Preview, Word and/or Excel 2004 and sometimes Skype.  It  
is perfectly stable even if it runs with 500+ MB of swapped-out junk  
and near 100% CPU much of the time.  And using it for those sort of  
tasks it's often barely noticeable that it's a bit slower than the  
G5.  More than one person has bought a Mac after playing with OSX on  
it and saying "Gosh, this is really usable!  So, if I bought, like, a  
450 MHz iMac for $100, it'd be even better?  Let alone the slowest  
new iBook?"

I also use it for doing Mac development.  The latest XCode runs just  
fine, and with the (much faster) gcc4 and zerolink in Tiger it's  
actually very pleasant for working on small to medium projects when I  
don't feel like sitting in my office.

I also use it for Linux development, using ssh and X to work remotely  
on my Athlon 3200+.

The only thing really wrong with it is that the screen is too darn  
small compared to the 1600x1200 LCD on my G5 and Athlon, but then  
it's exactly the same as a current model iBook or 12" PowerBook in  
that regard -- except the WallStreet screen is nicer than the current  
ones.  Oh yeah, and it's a seven year old machine but I *still* run  
the backlight on the lowest setting indoors, whereas the new machines  
seem to need much closer to full brightness to be usable.


Of course if I want to run iMovie or iDVD or X-Plane or play movie  
trailers larger than "medium" size then I use the G5.  d'oh.


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