Hi Andy
I have no problem if you criticize company policies. In fact, I do
that quite often too when consulting :-) But what I do not like is
that you are publishing comments and blaming others, but yourself did
not do the homework. That is simply not fair towards all developers
and definitely against all rules of Open Source projects. If you had
just spent a few more minutes researching you would have realized
that Magnolia is still an Open Source project and it's still for free
and can be downloaded any time.
Didn't you profit for 2 years from using Magnolia? And I assume
Magnolia is helping you generate business. So the Community (and the
Magnolia core developers) deserve a little more respect!
Most companies (even Day Software, who does most of the work for the
Content Repository standardization) who provide Open Source products
at such a high quality as Magnolia have to make money somehow. 90% of
the Magnolia development (and being 2 years on the list you
definitely should know that) is still done by the pure Magnolia core
team (let me take the opportunity to thank Boris, Sameer, Philipp,
Gregory and the whole Magnolia team for a great product!) AND NOT THE
COMMUNITY! The Community is extremely helpful in exploring and
maturing the product, but the development requires deep understanding
of Java (incl patterns) and especially the repository API. That will
have to be done by the Magnolia Team.
You were (or still are?) a very valuable member of the community and
I'm sure many users out there are thankful for your advise. But there
are also many COMPANIES testing and implementing Magnolia. These
companies have different needs. The real good news for the community
is, that these companies are ready to pay a certain some for support,
training, security and more. Keep in mind that this money is
absolutely essential to keep the Magnolia core team alive! Better
yet: a lot of enhancements required by these companies (and paid
for!) are finding there way into the community edition! So take a few
hours and upgrade to Magnolia 3.0. You hardly will regret the effort!
Andy, coincident? I joined the LA-JUG recently, so perhaps we can
continue this discussion along with a glass of wine :-) Just ping me
at gberner at xumak dot com. I will gladly help you migrate your web
site.
Hoping you will remain a member of the Magnolia Community ;-)
Giancarlo
BTW: Magnolia DOES NOT MAKE MONEY on the Packager's 58 Euro. It is a
private initiative by Ralph Hirning. The Packager is part of the
Magnolia Enterprise Edition.
On May 15, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Andreas Schaefer wrote:
Tom Duffey wrote:
On May 15, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Andreas Schaefer wrote:
That is not going to work with me and so I am going to replace
Magnolia with another open-source project or use plain old JSP pages
because I cannot afford to buy a $10,000 license or to waste a huge
amount of time upgrading it. Upgrading within 2.x was bad enough but
that is too much.
If there's one thing about this I agree with it's that the upgrade
path from 2.x to 3.x is not well documented. The tool is 58 euros
and
available here:
http://hirning.de/public/company/en/packager.html
Even if that would work it is not going to do it for me. I spent some
time helping other on the users list and on the wiki and I am not
going
to pay for a tool that helps me migrate. It is only working for
2.1.5 to
3.0 which means I would need to buy another tool when migrating
from 3.x
to 4.x? Secondly I am not quite sure if I have 2.1.5 (probably not).
Beside that it is question of fairness in an open-source community.
The
company behind magnolia did not open-source it for the goods of their
heart but to make money as we all do. So they hoped that the
community
is helping them to create a stable and good application in return they
made a basic application available for free. Now charging the
community
for a migration tool is wrong because it tries to make money with the
idea behind that the users of the free edition are not wasting the
investment into the application just because of 58 euros. Well, I will
do because I do not know when this will happen again.
From time to time I was complaining about Sun and its open-source
projects but for now I have to admit that Sun is one of the good
guys in
the open-source community and even with the fact that they want to
make
money with Java/J2EE I never spent a dime on them. I think I need to
straighten the facts on my blog on Java.net.
There are enough other open-source CMS available some with more
features
like integrated Wiki, Blog and others than Magnolia has. Too bad but I
intended to give a presentation at the LA-JUG about Magnolia and
how one
could integrate a Blog or Wiki into it.
-Andy
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