thanks.
just a note.
./ works on windows was well
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Done
Jacques
From: "BJ Freeman" <bjf...@free-man.net>
no Idea on chrome problem
from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold,
make larger font or something to bring focus to
./ant run-install
on the right side.
Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM:
Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK
in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for
now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
Jacques
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Done,
Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I
have changed and added some minor things
It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache
system
Jacques
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Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be
happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they
lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent
beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many
children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
Jacques
Scott Gray wrote:
It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
Regards
Scott
On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
Regards,
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Maybe w e could have a link from
http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a
clear explanation of what it
is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could
provide the text...
Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's
see with what he will come with...
Jacques
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Hi BJ
What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
Thanks for all your help.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with
the release zip.
the release zip never had jar files.
what you call release were the nightly builds that are still
availible and I gave you a link to.
what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the
equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
site.
then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
Hi BJ:
Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the
download, decide
what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
changes. Nothing new in that.
All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz
easier for
those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible
problems
that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz
was
distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new
here!
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
so someone download the file like you say it should be.
then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
how do you propose they do that?
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
Hi BJ:
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
and what do you propose for those that decide to make use
ofbiz?
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
Hi BJ:
My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for
the official
Apache OFBiz download page
(http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
provide a link to download of a "stable released" version
of OFBiz
that is:
Pre-built (all jar files included)
Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into
the
currently distributed database - which is Derby
And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would
like to
participate and provide JIRA posts.)
I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot
site. IMHO, no
new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless
they
understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
perspective:
You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
development/source code site.]
Prettty simple.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
for the sake of discussion lets say you have the
equivalent of a
nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now,
not just as
a release.
what do you propose for those that decide to make use
ofbiz? Mind you
the demo is running in derby.
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
Hi BJ:
Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO,
the OFBiz
Release that is on the official download page should be
fully
functional
out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
Tomcat or
the
Apache web server, you get a fully functional
demonstration of how
these
work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
attempts to
install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
whatever the
startup page is these days) then they know something is
wrong
with the
download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional
step is
involved
and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java
and
building
jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong,
well, for a
seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for
inexperienced
OFBiz
users, it may mean the difference between giving up and
going to
another
project or simply downloading it again.
Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this
list. But
certainly a big deal to potential new users.
Just my 2cents.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
did you mean Demo data.
with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
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Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
Hi All:
I respectfully beg to differ here:
There is no reason for a small business to have to use
SVN in
order to
implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that
functionality,
and I
miss
the SVN version information that is no longer available
in the
recent
"releases" from the download site, I've successfully
implement
many an
OFBiz application without ever using the SVN
functionality. Of
course,
I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you
have multiple
developers working on the same code.
Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be
updated? I
thought
once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
fixes. And
from
past conversations on this list, those only happen -
maybe once a
quarter.
This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate
the binary
jar
files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
version of
OFBiz
- one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available
as an
official
Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4
months ago.
Then,
someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to
change this.
Regards,
Ruth
Matt Warnock wrote:
I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort
required here.
OFBiz
is a development platform, it is constantly being
updated, and
even the
branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is
inefficient to
download a "compiled binary distribution" which is
constantly
being
updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is
really a
must.
And that means recompiling the code.
As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just
need to be
fixed
so that new user expectations are appropriately
managed.
As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I
would much
rather
see that same effort spent on solving the in-place
database
upgrade
issues that have been discussed here for some time,
for example.
Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
