Valid point, Scott. I have offered to resign years ago as I am not active, but no one took me up on it. Sounds like you need project management that requires active PMC members. I will send my resignation request to the pmc list where this conversation should probably take place.
-Al On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com>wrote: > Al, > > Privately or not, if this is how you intend to interact with OFBiz users > by actively encouraging them to switch to the competing framework that > you're currently working with, then I'd strongly encourage you to resign > from the OFBiz PMC. It's really not the type of project management we need. > > Regards > Scott > > On 22/05/2013, at 10:26 PM, Al Byers wrote: > > > I feel like I owe another apology to the OFBiz developers. Though my > > initial remarks were accidental (and embarrassing), I was wrong not to > > acknowledge that OFBiz has a wealth of functionality that Moqui does not > > approach at this time. And my lack of first hand knowledge of all the > work > > that has gone into upgrading OFBiz is no excuse for not acknowledging > that. > > I know that I will need and want to use OFBiz for the rest of my career > and > > those who have put so much effort into making it the valuable product > that > > it is should be commended, for they will never get full payback for their > > work. Thanks for all that you have done. > > > > - Al Byers > > > > > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > > jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > > > >> From: "Al Byers" <bye...@automationgroups.com> > >>> Sorry Adrian, > >>> > >>> Had my mind on too many things and didn't mean to send it to the list. > >> But > >>> then, a dose of "open mike" might be refreshing. I know that there are > >> some > >>> great developers on OFBiz, but sometimes things get too large to > refactor > >>> and a fresh start is better. > >> > >> This was already discussed indeed. This option is still open. On the > other > >> hand, after more than a decade, I believe OFBiz is even better. > >> For almost 3 years now we are less including new features and more > fixing > >> what exists. > >> Notably in the framewors itself, where a replacement by Moqui makes more > >> sense. > >> We are even removing unused stuff, sometimes too harshly said Skip > >> recently, nobody's perfect. > >> > >>> I don't think American car manufacturers were really concerned about > >>> improving their product until the Japanese came along. And, even then, > I > >>> don't think that they have become competitive except to the extent that > >>> they have pushed the "reset" button. > >> > >> In French we say "comparaison n'est pas raison". Don't try to translate > >> with Google (again lost in translation). But I guess you can get it > without. > >> > >>> It is not reasonable to think that OFBiz will just make the next > release > >> on > >>> Moqui, but it seems like there could be a vanguard interested in > making a > >>> port. > >> > >> I think nobody is against it. As you say this would be a long, or maybe > >> medium, term goal. > >> OFBiz is considered stable now. Replacing the framework with Moqui would > >> certainly take some time before acquiring the same level of stability > >> > >> Jacques > >> PS: thanks Adrian for your defense of the team > >> > >>> -Al > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Adrian Crum < > >>> adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> A quick clarification on this. > >>>> > >>>> "OFBiz was brilliant when David created it over ten years ago, but..." > >>>> implies OFBiz is no longer brilliant. OFBiz continues to be just as > >>>> brilliant, with a talented team of developers keeping it current with > >>>> current technology. > >>>> > >>>> -Adrian > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 5/20/2013 4:04 PM, Al Byers wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Carlos, > >>>>> > >>>>> I am just starting to look around for OFBiz work and was intrigued to > >> see > >>>>> your email there this morning. I have been working with OFBiz for > over > >> 10 > >>>>> years now and am interested in what you have going. > >>>>> > >>>>> But I must ask if you have considered Moqui (moqui.org < > >> http://moqui.org>) > >>>>> - David Jones's successor to OFBiz? I was just at a small conference > >> with > >>>>> David and the folks at HowWax Media and based on David's comments and > >> what > >>>>> I know about Moqui from my past year of working with it, if you are > >>>>> starting anew, and especially if you are not using the current > >> e-commerce > >>>>> features of OFBiz, then you would be well served to look at Moqui. > >> OFBiz > >>>>> was brilliant when David created it over ten years ago, but > technology > >> has > >>>>> made great advances in that time and if you have the freedom to do > so, > >> it > >>>>> makes sense to start with the latest base. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have attached David's introduction to Moqui PDF, which I don't > think > >> is > >>>>> readily available off the moqui.org <http://moqui.org> website. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I hope to hear from you soon. > >>>>> > >>>>> Al Byers > >>>>> 801-400-5111 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Carlos Cruz < > car...@nbtbizcapital.com > >> <mailto: > >>>>> carlos@nbtbizcapital.**com <car...@nbtbizcapital.com>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi; > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm looking for a Java programmer that is familiar with OFBiz. > >>>>> Particularly with OFBiz Web Services and OFBiz Entity Engine. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm interested in hosting OFBiz for some very specific industries > >>>>> and I want to develop some very specific interfaces. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is a long term project, I could be flexible with the hours. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you're interested email me for more details. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also feel free to forward this email to someone you think might be > >>>>> interested. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks!! > >>>>> > >>>>> Carlos > >>>>> > >>>>> logo-for-social-media-sites-**email_signature > >>>>> > >>>>> CruzControl Radius > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Success Is Our Service > >>>>> > >>>>> www.ccradius.com <http://www.ccradius.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> email:car...@ccradius.com <mailto:email%3Acarlos@**ccradius.com< > >> email%253acar...@ccradius.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 1-877-285-5499 <tel:1-877-285-5499> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >
