I agree with Rick.

SQL has been around for years and years. IMO, it will outlive most
languages we are writing with today because of its wide acceptance.

Before using iBATIS, I used Hibernate. In my experience with it, it
made the simple things simple, and the difficult things all but
impossible. Performance was also an issue in my case (multi-gigabyte
legacy tables do not lend themselves to Hibernate very well).

Larry


On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:19:17 -0500, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jesse Clark wrote the following on 3/9/2005 4:46 PM:
> 
> > However, I would disagree with your earlier comment that Hibernate is
> > very easy to learn. It is a powerful tool and makes life easier once you
> > learn it, but I think realistically you are looking at a 3 to 6 week
> > learning curve to really figure out how everything fits together and
> > develop a working architecture.
> 
> I'd even disagree that it makes things easier once you learn it. I'd say
> "only sometimes." It often creates a lot of headaches and you'll
> definitely run into difficulties if you don't own the tables and you
> can't create the table structure the way you want it.
> 
> On the other hand, plugging iBATIS again, iBATIS doesn't care what the
> table structure is like. One of the great things about iBATIS is that as
> a developer I can get a nice optimized piece of pure SQL from a DBA
> using existing tables and can use that exact query/update in iBATIS (no
> need to even learn another query language either).
> 
> I think it's great having competing frameworks. Only makes all of them
> better. Personally I find iBATIS simple and powerful. I also have to say
> that I think all the apparent buzz around Hibernate is based purely on
> politics (Same thing with Spring.) Not saying both aren't solid
> products, but they are often pushed in the same breath at conferences
> etc without even considering alternatives that might be better and/or
> easier to use.
> 
> --
> Rick
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