Man there are some kickes in the ass wasted in this world. On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry Meadors wrote: > > LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts? > > > > On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Do keep your eye on the ball, Paul. These people have had every chance > >>to respond to my points via legitimate debate and they chose not to. > > > > > > OK, so what you are saying here is that "these people" could have > > debated with you, but instead chose not to...but of course you only > > say this after a personal attack. > > [sigh] > > I reiterate: the people engaging in personal attacks had the option of > debating and chose the ad-hominem route. > > > > >>And then they start this stuff. Yet you are trying to extract some kind > >>of moral equivalence out of this. > > > > > > ...then follow it with another... > > > > > >>Well, maybe you got ruined by being exposed to too much moral relativism > >>and other sophistry in college. > > The above is not a personal attack. It is within the range of legitimate > rhetoric. Paul really seemed to see moral equivalence between me and the > people engaging in the vicious attacks -- consider James Mitchell, who > was posting a private message in public in order to fan the flames. > > > ...and another. > > > > This is my last post on this thread, before returning home from bizzarro > > world. > > > > I see two courses of action for you Jon: > > > > If you think struts is so bad that it is unfixable, then find > > something else. > > The Struts developers themselves decided that the code was quite > inferior and did find something else. Webwork. They convinced the > Webwork people to donate their code as the basis of Struts Action 2. > > The Struts 1.x codebase is basically being abandoned. > > > Leave us all here to wallow in our ambivalent > > ignorance. Then, if you are right, when and if we ever get as smart as > > you are and realize that struts is dead, you can charge us all for > > training on the Next Big Thing. > > > > If you think struts is bad, but that it is fixable, then do something > > about it. > > Larry, you seem to have a basic misconception. If somebody engages in > political speech that criticizes some situation, they do not > automatically take on an obligation to remedy the situation themselves. > > Usually they are not in a position to do so. For example, in the > appropriate context, someone can perfectly well criticize the situation > in Iraq and bad decisions made there. They could argue that Rumsfeld and > even Bush should resign over this. Do you think such blunt talk on this > creates an obligation for the speaker to go to Iraq himself and sort out > the mess? > > What your counterargument is like is like telling that person to go to > Iraq and remedy the situation himself. It's asinine. Also, it is absurd > to suggest that I go to work to remedy the Struts 1.x codebase when the > actual Struts developers have basically abandoned this codebase. > > Meanwhile, I have made some substantial contributions to the java web > application space. And I intend to continue to do so. So I cannot be > classified someone who just makes noise and does not contribute > technically. However, what contributions I make will be in the context > of an open source community that I do not consider to be dysfunctional, > like this one. I will be continuing a collaboration with people that I > like and who share some of my basic attitudes and values. For example, > in the FreeMarker community people there are not afraid to disagree with > me in public. Go check it out. Isn't that radical? (This is a place > where people are terrified to express disagreement. They even openly > speculate that there will be retaliation against their careers and so > on. This scene is seriously FUBAR!) > > In closing, Larry, who are you to be telling me that I should be doing > this, that or the other thing? Have you made any comparable contribution > to this application space? > > Jonathan Revusky > -- > lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ > > P.S. Amusingly, I initially entitled this post "Debate and Free Speech > for Dummies". Then I realized that some of the blowhards would likely > accuse me of insulting everybody -- pretending that they didn't > understand that it was an allusion to the XXX for Dummies book series. > So I changed it "for Dummies" to 101 at the last minute before sending it. > > > > Check it out of SVN, fix it, and use it. If you are so darn > > smart, we will all be begging to use it in no time. ...and again, you > > can charge us all for training on that Next Big Thing. > > > > But in either case, stop being such a buttmonkey (if you can). > > > > Larry > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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