I thought we got HAWK in SUSE and pcsd's web UI in RHEL for the less-experienced admins.
Anyway, it's my personal opinion... Off-topic: Automation module(s) (for example Ansible, SALT or Terraform) would bring bigger benefit to the project. I was always hoping to find something idempotent and build all clusters from a single role/formula, absolutely perfect and without missing components, packages or settings. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В четвъртък, 13 януари 2022 г., 19:35:57 Гринуич+2, Ken Gaillot <kgail...@redhat.com> написа: I think the use case is where senior admins can do what you're talking about, but less-experienced admins need to run cluster commands occasionally. On Tue, 2022-01-11 at 12:17 +0000, Strahil Nikolov via Users wrote: > To be honest, I don't see any benefit. > Even if you have the stack translated, when a more complex setup is > needed -> you will always have to search in the source/github > issues/documentation/mailing list history and rely on English. > > Best Regards, > Strahil Nikolov > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:23, Ulrich Windl > > <ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de> wrote: > > >>> Ken Gaillot <kgail...@redhat.com> schrieb am 10.01.2022 um > > 22:01 in > > Nachricht > > <14b79b428e0cc1ab4c5c882f0efcae3c221d9b2d.ca...@redhat.com>: > > > Re‑raising this due to the recent holidays ... > > > > > > Is translation of Pacemaker option help and man pages something > > people > > > would like to see? > > > > Interestingly some big companies frequently offer these languages: > > Englich, French, Chinese, Japanese > > > > My guess is that those are mainly there because the people refuse > > English for > > some reason or the other. > > Specifically note that German is not in that list. > > > > > > > > Would anyone be willing to contribute or proofread translations > > if the > > > tools were easy? > > > > I helped with a German translation in some Android app once, and I > > realized > > that it was much more work than I had assumed originally... > > > > Regards, > > Ulrich > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2021‑12‑03 at 15:02 ‑0600, Ken Gaillot wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> A user has graciously submitted a pull request to demonstrate > > native > > >> language support for Pacemaker help output: > > >> > > >> https://github.com/ClusterLabs/pacemaker/pull/2564 > > >> > > >> Long ago, we had a few translations of "Clusters from Scratch" > > and > > >> "Pacemaker Explained", but those proved to be too large and > > >> frequently > > >> changing to be maintainable. > > >> > > >> Log messages also change frequently, making translations > > difficult to > > >> maintain. Not to mention, commercial support personnel will not > > >> always > > >> be able to read the native languages of their users. > > >> > > >> However, help output (cluster property descriptions, man pages, > > etc.) > > >> is seen only by the end user, and doesn't change as often. The > > pull > > >> request implements a Chinese translation of some cluster option > > help > > >> as > > >> a proof‑of‑concept using GNU gettext. > > >> > > >> Since this would be a substantial change and require additional > > >> maintenance, I'd like to get as much feedback as possible. Reply > > to > > >> this email, or comment on the PR if you're interested in more > > >> technical > > >> details. > > >> > > >> If we implement this, we'd need volunteers for making and > > >> proofreading > > >> translations. Ideally, we'd also sign up with an online service > > that > > >> provides a friendly web interface for translations, but with > > this > > >> initial proof‑of‑concept, it involves github pull requests and > > >> reviews. > > >> > > >> Thoughts? > > > ‑‑ > > > Ken Gaillot <kgail...@redhat.com> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Manage your subscription: > > > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Manage your subscription: > > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Manage your subscription: > https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/ -- Ken Gaillot <kgail...@redhat.com>
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