Right. It would be best if they could form a separate self sustaining project. Let's take a look at a different type of software, desktops or interfaces.
Currently we have a large number of interface projects, some closed, some open, some mixed, on a wide variety of platforms ranging from extremely small devices like the IPod Nano to extremely large like the Jumbotrons in many stadiums. These interface projects drive a wide variety of hardware, everything from watches, MP3 players, phones, televisions, TV set top boxes, printers, desktop/laptop computers, tablets, microwave ovens, refrigerators, automobile entertainment systems, televisions, etc. A large number of these projects are actually Free Software/Open Source. Let's concentrate on the Laptop/Desktop market for now. Windows is a slowly evolving proprietary (closed) interface. OS X is a slowly evolving mixed interface. All of the real competition is in the Free Software/Open Source side, where there are a wide variety of projects, filling a wide variety of needs. We have EDE <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/EDE>, Étoilé,<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/%C3%89toil%C3%A9> LXDE <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/LXDE>, Mezzo,<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mezzo_%28desktop_environment%29> ROX <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/ROX_Desktop>, UDE<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/UDE>, AfterStep, <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/AfterStep> Compiz, <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Compiz> Enlightenment,<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Enlightenment_%28window_manager%29> KWin <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/KWin>, Metacity<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Metacity>, Sawfish<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sawfish_%28window_manager%29>, awesome<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Awesome_%28window_manager%29>, Blackbox <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Blackbox>, Fluxbox<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fluxbox>, FVWM <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/FVWM>, IceWM<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IceWM>, JWM <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/JWM>, Openbox<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Openbox>, twm <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Twm>, dwm<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dwm>, ratpoison <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ratpoison>, UWM<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/UWM_%28computing%29>, wmii <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wmii>, CDE<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment>, IRIX<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IRIX_Interactive_Desktop>, *Xfce <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Xfce>, *GNOME<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/GNOME>, and KDE<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/KDE_Software_Compilation> . As you may have guessed, I didn't pull the list from memory - I pulled it from Wikipedia. The point is that the separate projects each have their own aims and goals. Each produces different results. Each produces different source code. Each ends up influencing the other projects, and also the closed source projects. And they are currently evolving at a far faster pace than the closed source projects, just like Libre Office is evolving at a far faster pace than any other office suite, due to the competitive pressures provided by the other projects. Merge Open Office and Libre Office and you kill the competitive pressures that would drive both projects to greater and greater heights. Keep them apart, and you'll end up with projects that will quickly make Apple's IWork and Microsoft's Office obsolete. Anyone arguing for a merger is your greatest enemy, or a damned fool. Competition drives innovation. If you merge with Open Office you'll be handling Microsoft an easy victory. Wayne aka The Mad Hatter http://madhatter.ca ** On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Simos Xenitellis < simos.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Wayne Borean <wbor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Glenn, > > > > I think he's currently second richest, I can't remember his name, but > > there's a guy in Mexico who owns a telecom company who is currently > richer. > > Of course at that level, what's a billion or two? > > > > On this note, I think we went well off-topic on the discussion. > > The next steps are critical for LibreOffice and the Document Foundation. > Specifically, what's to happen with the (currently) Oracle employees > that work on OpenOffice? > Many of them are experienced OOo programmers. Will they be picked up > by someone to continue working on LibreOffice or [OpenOffice]? > Is Oracle talking to the Document Foundation to wrap up the hand-over > of OpenOffice? > > As a community we should be ready for the outcome of these discussions > and contribute where we can. > > Simos > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Glenn <glenns...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Wayne, > >> > >> True, I don't know all the the details of MS's financials. But I do > know > >> that > >> Bill Gates is probably the richest man in the world and it's all due to > MS. > >> I guess that's where my bias comes in. > >> > >> Also, MS might be in a better financial position if they weren't so > >> arrogant. > >> Hence OpenOffice, LibreOffice and NeoOffice. > >> > >> Let MS die. They missed the boat and the market through arrogance. > >> Let them die by their own sword. > >> > >> Glenn > >> P.S. I see we have similar credentials from the same time period. > >> > >> On 4/16/11 9:46 PM, Wayne Borean wrote: > >> > >>> Glenn, > >>> > >>> I learned programming on an IBM mainframe using Punch Cards, my start > in > >>> the > >>> industry predates Microsoft's founding. I can remember the switch from > >>> CP/M > >>> to DOS 1.0. So yes, I know exactly what Microsoft did to the industry, > and > >>> how they did it. I've actually read many of the legal filings from the > >>> U.S. > >>> anti-trust case. > >>> > >>> I also know their financial limits which you don't. > >>> > >>> Wayne > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Glenn<glenns...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey GPD. > >>>> > >>>> Were you born yesterday? You seem to have no idea of the brutality MS > >>>> applied in the '80's and the following 2 decades against users. > >>>> > >>>> You don't have any overall computer savvy as far as I can tell; > >>>> you don't even know iMAC. > >>>> > >>>> The SEC stuff is a financial-gain ruse to rob users. > >>>> > >>>> Do some research and include all users. > >>>> > >>>> Educate yourself before making pronouncements. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you. > >>>> > >>>> Glenn > >>>> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted