Hi :) Debian has a reputation for being old and long-in-the-tooth by the time it releases anything doesn't it? I'm not sure if it's a fair rep. There are tons of Ubuntu spin-offs or 'clones'.
Does Xfce have it's menus and toolbar at the bottom of the screen by default? If so it might not be such a bad leap because many office workers probably have a Windows machine at home or some passing familiarity with it. To install LibreOffice, OpenOffice etc alongside each other does require a bit of trickery. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel Did the crashes usually happen when both were open at the same time as each other? The Quickstarter counts as having one open. Regards from Tom :) On 23 January 2014 22:44, Tony Godshall <t...@of.net> wrote: > Thanks for the comments. Yes, Ubuntu seems especially > aggressive with "out with the old" mentality in spite of having > released named "Long Term Support". > > No, the boxes are not old- they are Dell Zino, Zotac, and Asus > boxes purchased within the three, two, and one year, approximately, > respectively. They are AMD64 low-power APU devices with integrated > Radeon. > > My impression is that Debian has a much better record with regards > to preventing regression, so I'm probably going to test with them. > I probably won't be switching to anything that's not dpkg-based > unless there's a compelling reason- it would mess with too many > scripts. > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Girvin Herr <girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: >> Greetings, >> I have been reading this thread, but since I do not use Ubuntu, I have no >> direct experience to add to this discussion. However, I may make one >> suggestion: check the age of your video card and computer. I use Slackware >> Linux and I have had KDE4 (QT-based) and xfce (GTK-based) desktop stability >> problems for the last 3 or 4 Slackware releases. My computer and its ATI >> Radeon AGP video card were over 10 years old. I recently upgraded my >> computer to 2-year old technology and used an ATI 4350 PCI Express video >> card and the stability problems went away. I suspect that the Linux devs no >> longer have access to the old hardware (AGP in this case) and do not test >> the new code with it. Therefore, it is a crap shot for new Linux versions >> to fully function with old hardware. >> >> As a footnote: After the upgrade, I took the old computer and went from 1GB >> to 3GB of RAM, but that alone did not solve the desktop stability problems. >> Switching from the old ATI AGP to an even older Nvidia AGP I had lying >> around, and switching from the default nouveau driver, because it would not >> find the old card, to the "nv" driver, got the old system working stably >> again. But it is a "bailing wire" approach and is destined to fail in the >> future. >> >> HTH. >> Girvin Herr >> >> >> >> On 01/22/2014 09:02 PM, Tony Godshall wrote: >>> >>> 10.04 LTS is lucid. We never went to gnome 3 since it broke too many >>> workflows. We looked at cinnamon and mate and they made our workstations >>> unstable. It's weird that an application could disrupt the ui as much as >>> we're seeing. Our users are used to their workstations staying up for >>> months and installing libre office has been much more disruptive than a >>> simple application install should have been. >>> On Jan 21, 2014 6:53 PM, "Jay Lozier" <jsloz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/21/2014 07:00 PM, Tony Godshall wrote: >>>> >>>>> This seems to be directly correlated to the install of LibreOffice 4.1. >>>>> >>>>> OS is Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS 32-bit. Hardware varies- mostly AMD64 >>>>> dual-core E350 and E450. >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to confirm other issues- users have reported it's happens >>>>> more when using toolbar things like color background of cell to >>>>> yellow. >>>>> >>>>> I've confirmed panels going away and panels going transparent. >>>>> >>>>> Some users have figured out that they can choose Log Out and then just >>>>> cancel and get their environment back. Clicking Log Out is a >>>>> challenge but doable when the panel disappears- tooltips show where >>>>> the buttons are. >>>>> >>>>> I've also found out that I can ssh in, su - to the user, kill >>>>> gnome-panel, and then relaunch it, and that also restores their >>>>> desktop to function. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tony, >>>> >>>> This is Gnome 2 on Maverick? I am not sure if anyone here knows enough >>>> about gnome-panel to answer you. >>>> >>>> Have you tried the Ubuntu or Gnome forums? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jay Lozier >>>> jsloz...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>>> Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- >>>> unsubscribe/ >>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> deleted >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > > > -- > -- > Best Regards. > This is unedited. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
