Hello Paul, On 7 août 2014 16:44:25 CEST, Paul <paulste...@afrihost.co.za> wrote: >Hi Charles, > >Thanks for the info on a different feedback system generating a >different view of the topic. That was very useful, and I think should >have been mentioned *much* earlier. > >It is likely the the people who mostly come to this list are the ones >with problems, so we are likely to see a higher incidence of people >wanting the more stable branch. > >While that may negate my opinion that the primary download should be >switched from the less stable branch to the more stable branch, I still >feel that the best approach would be to offer both as equal choices, >with clear explanations. > >Or perhaps even to do away with the one branch completely, and >concentrate more on a single branch, if the difference in stability is >so negligible, as you keep suggesting. However, I feel that the >difference is probably big enough to warrant keeping both branches, and >therefore big enough to warrant having two *equal* download choices, >*with* explanations.
At the beginning of the discussion I had not understood that it was your concern. Now I do. I completely agree of a need for a description of the two branches. We disagree on the priority that should be given on each of these although I do see merit in presenting them on equal footage. That is just me though, I am far from being alone in this. Fyi maybe it is my browser but I see that on the homepage clicking on download will dispmay a menu with the two branches. Surely that is an acceptable behaviour? Cheers, Charles. > >But thank you for contributing this constructive information that has >helped this discussion move forward. > >Paul > > > >On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:07:47 +0200 >"Charles-H. Schulz" <charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Le 07.08.2014 14:50, Paul a écrit : >> > On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200 >> > "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: >> > >> >> Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit : >> >> > Hi :) >> >> > +1 >> >> > (to James's suggestion.) >> >> > I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree >> >> > with getting >> >> > the 4.2.6. >> >> >> >> That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree >with >> >> you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should >> >> get the version you like. >> > >> > Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people >on >> > this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this >> > question comes up there are far more people recommending going for >> > the more stable branch than there are recommending going for the >> > less stable >> > branch, if there are even any of those. >> > >> > Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of >course >> > free to disagree with it. >> >> It is a wild call not because it is unreasonable (it isn't) but >> because it is peremptory. >> Yes, we can read here, on this list, that the newer branch is a >> problem. We have read it since several years but I'd like to point >> out two rather different elements. >> - the same people complain about the same things for years, right >> here. For instance Tom has always said here and elsewhere he was not >> understanding the reason of two branches. Noop has always complained >> about the two branches and the release pace. It does not make their >> opinion invalid, but I'm suggesting a pattern here. >> - This list is interesting, because it is one type of location. As it > >> happens, my main contributions these past months to the project have >> been creating and sharing content on social media on behalf of >> LibreOffice and TDF (yes I'm the main guy behind the daily tweets). >> You would not believe how different the feedback is. True, people >> report bugs just like with anything else, but 90% of the time, the >> people on the social media are users who keep asking for new features >> and want more and more of them. There was to my knowledge, since >> January 2014 exactly two people who wrote that they experienced a bug >> (with the newer branch) and were switching back to the older one. And >> we get feedback everyday from several different people, so that could >> give you an idea of the volume we're dealing here with. >> >> What am I trying to show here? >> >> Certainly not that people on social media are "more right" than >> people here. But that the opinions diverge with demographics, the >> place, the crowds, the kind of usage, etc. Indeed here, everytime >> this question arises, the same people will repeat the same arguments. >> It does not make their opinions unfair or inaccurate; but an echo >> chamber is also very easy to form on the Internet, esp. on a mailing >> list. Last but not least, positive feedback is rare compared to >> negative - here, in FOSS or in any customer service. I'd be shocked >> it we experienced the opposite :-) >> >> Best, >> >> Charles. >> >> >> > >> > >> > Paul -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
