James E Lang wrote:
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[libreoffice-users] Shortcut changes
James E. Lang wrote:
I am not a user of Base but I am a frequent user of Calc. Shortcut
changes are extremely disruptive for users. My least favorite (most
detested!!) such change occurred in version 4.4 of Calc when
Alt+E,I was assigned to a brand new menu item in place of "Fill."
That one has caught me out a few times in Calc; I've even lost work
because of it a few times. Alt+E, I, D used to fill down. Now it
reopens the file in read-only edit mode,
[I also used to use Alt+E, I, R; Alt+E, I, L; or Alt+E, I, U to fill
right, left, or up respectively. Read-only edit mode sounds to me
like a self contradictory phrase -- jl]
That's probably just my bad phrasing, in attempting to keep it short.
The action is actually to toggle "Edit Mode", where turning off "Edit
Mode" reloads the file read-only.
[and having it activated instead of
fill is certainly disruptive. -- jl]
without saving changes (it does prompt, but the final D selects
"Don't Save") Yes, I know there's also Ctrl+D to fill down, but for
some reason I'm used to Alt+E, I, D and automatically type that.
If they wanted to use Alt+E, I for Edit Mode, I don't really see why
it couldn't have been done the same as in other menus where several
options share the same letter. e.g. in Calc Alt+I brings up the
insert menu, then H selects between "Hyperlink" and "Headers and
Footers" and you have to press Enter on the one you want.
[That seems like a reasonable suggestion. -- jl]
For what it's worth, the problem of changing shortcuts is not unique
to LibreOffice. In MS Outlook 2003, Ctrl+S saved a draft of an email,
while in Outlook 2007 Ctrl+S sent it without any further
confirmation. Fortunately I never accidentally sent anything more
embarrassing than a half-finished response as a result (at least, I
don't think I did...)
[I repeat that changing shortcuts disrupts user productivity
regardless who does it: MS or LO. -- jl]
I agree. Particularly when the new action can be destructive (reloading
without saving) and/or irreversible (sending an email).
[I hope developers are taking
notice. I don't know whether any of them lurk (or even actively
participate) on this users list. If not then I hope someone harvests
ideas from this list and summarizes them for the developers. I think
a bug report might be overkill but maybe not. Does anyone care to
weigh in on this? -- jl]
Ah, according to bug 93326 comment 8:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93326#c8
and comment 10:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93326#c10
Alt+E, I was changed back to Fill in versions 4.4.6 and 5.0.1, with
Alt+E, D for Edit Mode.
Can anyone confirm that? I'm still on 4.4.2; must upgrade sometime...
Mark.
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