Dan, this statement you made cached my attention, as it might help reduce 
foreign keys and make the application more maintainable:

"I prefer to use a join table for unidirectional, but FK for bidirectional; 
that way the database tables model the domain classes quite nicely (in 
particular, with a unidirectional and a join table the child table doesn't 
"know" about its parent)."

How can I implement this with Isis / Datanucleous?

Cesar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Haywood [mailto:d...@haywood-associates.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 2:03 AM
To: users; David Tildesley
Subject: Re: Compuond objects

Hi David,
thanks for chipping in on this thread.  To answer your last question, I think I 
agree very broadly with your analysis.  More detail within...


On 5 November 2015 at 20:08, David Tildesley <davo...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi Cesar,
> I think you are saying you currently have :
>
> Business - ------> 1..* BusinessLocation Where one way navigation.
> Whereas in the first use case you want two way navigation so it looks
> like
> this:
> Business 1 <--------> 1..* BusinessLocation
>




> So if you have a BusinessLocation "in focus" then it is associated to
> single Business. This two way navigation between objects has always
> been an "expensive thing" to build - hence it is normally avoided
> unless the tradeoff suggests it should be done - but maybe ISIS makes this 
> easier.
>

With JDO/DataNucleus, bidirectional relationships are no more difficult than 
unidirectional.  With both bidirectional and undirectional, DN supports either 
using a join table to hold the tuples between parent/child, or alternatively a 
more traditional FK in the child.  I prefer to use a join table for 
unidirectional, but FK for bidirectional; that way the database tables model 
the domain classes quite nicely (in particular, with a unidirectional and a 
join table the child table doesn't "know" about its parent).



> But it sounds like you want a view which consolidates the information
> from one graph instance of the above into a single "form". So I
> believe the correct answer is yes: that is what the View Model is for.
> In terms of update behaviour - you need to add the operation on the
> View Model that explicitly sets the values on the domain object graph
> and persists them - I would suggest a single operation on Business for
> that purpose because Business should know about it's BusinessLocations
> - you pass the user values in including the BusinessLocation.id
> because Business has to know which BusinessLocation to update.
> Put all your View models in a separate package - they are not part of
> the domain. Make sure all the domain behaviour belongs to the domain
> objects and doesn't leak out into View objects. Never reference a View
> Model from the Domain Model the dependency should be View --> Domain
> and never the other way around. Domain is stable, View is volatile.
> Just create as many View Models as you need for the UI - after all that is 
> what they are for.


What you are saying is true in this case, but you'll remember a long thread 
from about a year ago when we enumerated various different "types" of view 
model.  We came to the conclusion that the view model implementation is also 
appropriate for what are really domain entities that just happen to be 
persisted externally, eg over a SOAP service.

We express this using the @DomainObject(nature=...) attribute [1]



> In fact your application may not need to expose any domain objects as
> naked objects - but then again, there may some user experience
> downside to that (e.g. having to explicit operation for update).
> Folk - correct me if I am wrong - I need to catch up with where ISIS
> is currently at and so having folk correct me is very welcome for my 
> education.
>

As per.  If you're just catching up, check out:

- changes to Isis itself in the release notes [2] ; 1.10.0 is imminent.
- (non ASF) Isis addons, [3]  - for reusable cross-cutting concerns
- (non ASF) incode catalog, [4]  - for reusable business functionality



> Regards,David.
>
>
>
Thx
Dan


[1]
http://isis.apache.org/guides/rg.html#_rg_annotations_manpage-DomainObject_nature
[2] http://isis.apache.org/release-notes.html
[3] http://www.isisaddons.org/
[4] http://catalog.incode.org/





>
>
>
>      On Friday, 6 November 2015 4:16 AM, Cesar Lugo <
> cesar.l...@sisorg.com.mx> wrote:
>
>
>  Hello. I have the need to create some objects that are compound from
> some other domain objects (similar to a "view" in a relational
> database, updatable views). Let's say I have Business with businessId
> and name properties, 1:n to another entity named BusinessLocation with
> properties businessLocationId and name and address properties (to keep
> things simple for now). So, for example, I need to create a new object
> that is BuisinessLocationView, which contains BuinessLocation.id,
> BusinessLocation.name, Business.id and Buiness.name . Then, in some
> cases, I want to use such views like BusinessLocationView as a
> collection within Business, and as a standalone collection, and also
> have the ability to update its fields so the corresponding entities
> are updated with the changes (Business and BusinessLocation), and in
> some cases even add a new view like BusinessLocationView so it adds a
> new BusinessLocation.
>
>
>
> Is there a way to do this? Is that what @ViewModel is for?
>
>
>
> I would appreciate If you could point me to any sample that might help.
>
>
>
> Cesar.
>
>
>
>
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