Thank You! I will take a look at them all. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Stephen Cameron <steve.cameron...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I am not a expert by any means, but I do encourage you to stick with Apache > Isis if *you* think the fit is good! > > Others will have more ideas but > have you looked at Estatio? That would have to be the 'gold standard' > project. https://github.com/estatio/estatio > > I have an application here: > https://github.com/Stephen-Cameron-Data-Services/isis-chats > I've just moved that to Apache Isis 1.15.1 (and am starting to 'retrofit' > it with more tests this week). > > I've started another open-source project here: > https://github.com/Stephen-Cameron-Data-Services/isis-agri > (I'll move that to the 'obatchi' project when I get some spare time, its a > much more complex domain model than isis-chats). > > My approach is somewhat based on Domain Driven Design (Eric Evan's), but > starting from a conceptual data-model. I can explain that more if your > interested to follow it. > > Maybe do a small learning/demo project in Github, one that you can share > code with easily here on the mailing list? My Chats project is for a > non-profit so easy to share, your project maybe not so easy. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:35 PM, SE Song <seson...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Stephen Cameron, > > > > Do you have any sample application that use Custom View, which is similar > > to Sandas GRC? I don't know how to start from scratch, I am a noob in > Java > > EE world. > > > > Thank! > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Stephen Cameron < > > steve.cameron...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You could develop a custom viewer, it has been done: > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/isis/blob/master/adocs/ > documentation/src/main/ > > > asciidoc/pages/powered-by/_powered-by_gesconsultor-grc.adoc > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:47 PM, SE Song <seson...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Thank for your advice, > > > > > > > > First, I though that integrating Isis with ZK is an easy task, but I > > > spend > > > > many days without any task done. Now I don't know what should I do > > next, > > > > last option is using restful object, but I hate writing UI > (Javascript > > + > > > > HTML + CSS), it's a lot of time consuming. > > > > > > > > I have started develop without any knowledge base even Java EE(JDO, > > CDI, > > > > ORM,...), So I decide to learn Apache Wicket and Java EE, before I > > start > > > > Apache Isis again. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Stephen Cameron < > > > > steve.cameron...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Regarding ZK 'Presentation Layer' seems this is the ability to use > ZK > > > > > components in a template context, eg JSP, Struts. That is doing > > things > > > > at a > > > > > lower level, but interesting to ask if such a lower level exists in > > > > Apache > > > > > Isis. > > > > > > > > > > I see there is a Freemaker templates module in the Incode Platform. > > > I've > > > > no > > > > > experience with it but maybe it's worth checking out? > > > > > > > > > > I've a perceived need that is related, essentially a presentation > > layer > > > > on > > > > > top of my domain model, which is detached forms. This is a common > > > > business > > > > > need that Apache Isis, I feel, shouldn't necessarily cater for, but > > > which > > > > > could perhaps be integrated via the functionality in its > meta-model. > > I > > > > say > > > > > this because of a perceived similarity in how the meta-model is > used > > to > > > > > bind the Java domain object model to the UI and a similar thing in > > the > > > > W3C > > > > > XForms standard. In the first case via name conventions, in the > later > > > > more > > > > > like a spreadsheet. > > > > > > > > > > Some forms can be very complex, but are a process follower idiom > > rather > > > > > than a problem solver one. Ultimately the data collected in a form > > has > > > to > > > > > find a use, maybe this will be simply for analysis via queries on a > > > > > database, However, to have the two idioms coexisting when > > > necessary, > > > > > seems nice to have. > > > > > > > > > > I had a potential project recently that was more of a content > > > management > > > > > system need, lots safety documents, and of forms for people to fill > > in > > > to > > > > > prove they had read and understood. Apache Isis didn't seem that > > good a > > > > fit > > > > > in total, but for parts it was very good, the management parts. > > Using > > > > the > > > > > security module, via the meta-model, was very powerful in getting a > > MVP > > > > > done quickly. > > > > > > > > > > Thinking outside the box in regards to a presentation layer, I am a > > fan > > > > of > > > > > XQuery, which though originating to manipulate XML documents, is > > > designed > > > > > around a more general meta-model (of sequences) essentially. So the > > > data > > > > > source can be anything. This flexibility led to a platform called > XRX > > > > > (XForms, REST, XQuery) that sadly went nowhere. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:43 PM, SE Song <seson...@gmail.com > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','seson...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Moving off isn't my option, because I love Apache Isis anyways. > > Only > > > > one > > > > > > thing that I doesn't like is UI, that's why I try to use ZK as my > > > UI. I > > > > > > know I'm going to throws out one of the framework's key features, > > but > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > Isis isn't just a tool for generate UI, there are a lot more > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > ZK isn't just a viewer or Frontend Layer, it also has > Presentation > > > > Layer, > > > > > > On my previous project I use ZK & JDBC using Constructor. while > > > Apache > > > > > Isis > > > > > > using Dependency Injection @Inject, But I don't have a lot of > > > > experience > > > > > on > > > > > > this. I also doubt what I'm trying to do the wrong ways. But If > > this > > > > > > possible, I will be able to build a greate development > environment. > > > So > > > > I > > > > > > try all options that maybe possible for me and meet my > requirement. > > > > > > > > > > > > It also has advantage for a Framework which be able to integrate > > with > > > > > other > > > > > > Framework for multiple options. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Stephen Cameron < > > > > > > steve.cameron...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron...@gmail.com');> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I seriously doubt this can work in the way you imagine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'd have to write a whole new ZK based viewer (like the > > standard > > > > > Wicket > > > > > > > one). See the org.apache.isis.viewer.wicket.* packages (4 > jars) > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > Maven dependencies of the webapp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Dan is suggesting to move off Apache Isis once you are > > happy > > > > with > > > > > > > your domain model, so Apache Isis is only used for prototyping? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:57 PM, SE Song <seson...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','seson...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already create a repository here > > https://github.com/sesong11/ > > > > > > > > ApacheIsisZK > > > > > > > > and create ZK VM here > > > > > > > > https://github.com/sesong11/ApacheIsisZK/blob/master/ > > > > > > > webapp/src/main/java/ > > > > > > > > domainapp/webapp/zkvm/SampleVM.java > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now another issue on integrating ZK, I can't Inject my > > repository > > > > on > > > > > ZK > > > > > > > VM, > > > > > > > > Everything ok, excepted Injecting Service, it always null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is ZK initiate VM using Contructor, > @PostConstruct > > on > > > > ZK > > > > > VM > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > never been called. Can you please help me how to Inject > service > > > > > outside > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > container, or guide me another possible ways > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:48 AM, SE Song < > seson...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','seson...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm building an business process application, we manage > staff > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > and request form such as Leave Request, OT, IT Form... > > > > > > > > > each form mush has at least employee info, and form > detail... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Auto generate UI is very good idea, e.s it's testable too. > > But > > > > > > > Management > > > > > > > > > are not developer, it's very difficult to convince them > about > > > > > > changing > > > > > > > > > their ideas, they always ask what they want. > > > > > > > > > They always concern about look and feel at first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will create a repository for integrate Apache Isis and > ZK > > > > > > framework > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > UI, If everything go well, I will use ZK for Frontend Layer > > and > > > > > > > > > Presentation Layer, > > > > > > > > > and Apache Isis for Business Logic, Business Model and Data > > > > Layer. > > > > > I > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > concern about integrating ZK VM to Isis Repository too, > > because > > > > ZK > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > Constructor out site container, > > > > > > > > > so Inject Service maybe impossible or difficult. But I will > > try > > > > and > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > on Github > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Dan Haywood < > > > > > > > > > d...@haywood-associates.co.uk > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','d...@haywood-associates.co.uk');>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> If the behaviour of the text field in particular is > > > problematic, > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > >> can develop and plug in a different implementation using > the > > > > > Wicket > > > > > > > > >> framework. The Wicket viewer guide has details on how to > do > > > > this > > > > > > > > >> (fullcalendar2, gmap3 use this API). > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> That said... > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> You said your pages are form heavy, and are all view > > models. I > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > >> therefore whether you are fighting the framework too much. > > > Why > > > > > are > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > >> using view models rather than just surface entities? Why > do > > > your > > > > > > users > > > > > > > > >> need > > > > > > > > >> so much information on a single page - what use cases are > > you > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> support? Where is this app on the "problem solver Vs > process > > > > > > follower" > > > > > > > > >> axis? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> One option for you might be to use Isis as a development > > > > > environment > > > > > > > (to > > > > > > > > >> build a good quality domain model) but then write a custom > > UI, > > > > eg > > > > > in > > > > > > > ZK > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > >> top of it. Obviously this throws out one of the > framework's > > > key > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > >> but you get full flexibility to do whatever. Or, you could > > use > > > > the > > > > > > > Rest > > > > > > > > >> api > > > > > > > > >> to accomplish the same. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> But, I do suggest you also try to work within the > > constraints > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> framework, and see what that gives you. We know of plenty > of > > > > > > "problem > > > > > > > > >> solver" type apps that are out there that work well enough > > > > without > > > > > > > lots > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> customisations. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Hth, > > > > > > > > >> Dan. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 12:11 SE Song, <seson...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','seson...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Yes, I am learning about it. And another option for me > is > > > > using > > > > > ZK > > > > > > > > >> > framework for UI > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + > > > Nagel > > > > / > > > > > > Ham > > > > > > > > >> GI-DP < > > > > > > > > >> > joerg.r...@kuehne-nagel.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','joerg.r...@kuehne-nagel.com');>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Have you considered using the RestfulObjects interface > > [1] > > > > > yet? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > -j > > > > > > > > >> > > [1] https://isis.apache.org/guides/ugvro/ugvro.html > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > > > > >> > > Von: SE Song [mailto:seson...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','seson...@gmail.com');>] > > > > > > > > >> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. November 2017 11:28 > > > > > > > > >> > > An: users@isis.apache.org > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','users@isis.apache.org');> > > > > > > > > >> > > Betreff: Re: Customize UI behavior > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > My issue isn't just scrolling, but also behavior of > > > Textbox. > > > > > If > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > >> > > possible to change it behavior from clicking and show > OK > > > > > Button > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > >> Cancel > > > > > > > > >> > > Button to use ajax to bind it to VM without bother > user > > to > > > > > click > > > > > > > > >> submit. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Stephen Cameron < > > > > > > > > >> > > steve.cameron...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron...@gmail.com');> > > > > > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Ok, but using tabs via layout.xml is still an > option. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Maybe using a JAXB VM causes a full page reload? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Do you have to use them? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:13 PM, SE Song < > > > > > seson...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','seson...@gmail.com');>> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > It always scroll like this. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SE Song < > > > > > > seson...@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',' > > seson...@gmail.com > > > > ');>> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Sorry that I did not specified that I am using > JAXB > > > VM. > > > > > It > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> submit > > > > > > > > >> > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> VM > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Stephen Cameron > < > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> steve.cameron...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron...@gmail.com');>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> More details here: > https://www.youtube.com/watch? > > > > > > > > v=MxewC5Pve5k > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Stephen > Cameron < > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> steve.cameron...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron...@gmail.com');> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > Have you tried using tabs via the > > xxx.layout.xml? > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > My pages aren't more than one screen height > and > > > I've > > > > > not > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > >> > > > other > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > problems that you indicate, Apache Isis > doesn't > > > > > submit a > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > the > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> sense > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > of an HTML <form> element, each click of OK > > > submits > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> updated > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > value > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> to > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > the database. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:36 PM, SE Song < > > > > > > > > seson...@gmail.com > > > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','seson...@gmail.com');>> > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Dear All, > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> After presentation Apache Isis to my manager, > > > what > > > > he > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> like > > > > > > > > >> > > > is > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> UI, > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Because the application which I am developing > > is > > > HR > > > > > > > System, > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> which > > > > > > > > >> > > > has > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> a > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> lot > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> of form, so UX is very important for us. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> After Using Apache Isis for a while I have > some > > > > > problem > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > UI > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> behavior as > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> bellow: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 1. When I click on the control it always > scroll > > > to > > > > > top, > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> my > > > > > > > > >> > > > from > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> has > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 2x of screen high, user will very difficult > for > > > > input > > > > > > > data. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 2. When user click on a textbox it always > show > > > "OK" > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> "Cancel" > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> button, > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> OK > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> button use submit, this make my form refresh > > > every > > > > > > time I > > > > > > > > >> press > > > > > > > > >> > > > Enter > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> or > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Click "OK", so it always scroll back to top > and > > > > > destroy > > > > > > > > >> another > > > > > > > > >> > > > field > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> that > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> I did not submit. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 3. I want to change behavior of textbox from > > > > Clicking > > > > > > > > Submit > > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> use > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> jQuery > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> (ZK like) to send data to my VM when user > Lost > > > > Focus > > > > > on > > > > > > > > >> textbox. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Please help to guide me what should I > do/learn > > to > > > > > solve > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > >> > > > problem. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Another option for me is to integrate Apache > > Isis > > > > > with > > > > > > ZK > > > > > > > > >> > > Framework. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> ZK > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> framework for implement presentation layer > and > > > > > fronted > > > > > > > > layer. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Is > > > > > > > > >> > > > this > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> option possible? > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG > > > > > > > > >> > > Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, > > > > > USt-IdNr.: > > > > > > DE > > > > > > > > >> > > 812773878. > > > > > > > > >> > > Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Dr. > > Hansjörg > > > > > Rodi > > > > > > > > >> (Vors. ), > > > > > > > > >> > > Martin Brinkmann, Holger Ketz, Jan-Hendrik > Köstergarten, > > > > > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > >> Minde, > > > > > > > > >> > > Michael Nebel, Lars Wedel, Matthias Weiner. > > > > > > > > >> > > Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel > > A.G., > > > > > > > > Rechtsform: > > > > > > > > >> > > Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, > HR-Nr.: B > > > > > 18745, > > > > > > > > >> > > Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl > > Gernandt. > > > > > > > > >> > > Geschäftsleitung Region Zentral- und Osteuropa: Dr. > > > Hansjörg > > > > > > Rodi > > > > > > > > >> > (Vors.), > > > > > > > > >> > > Thierry Held, Uwe Hött, Richard Huhn, Holger Ketz, > > > > Jan-Hendrik > > > > > > > > >> > > Köstergarten, Jan Kunze, Michael Nebel, Guillaume > > > Sauzedde, > > > > > > > Mustafa > > > > > > > > >> > Sener. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der > > Allgemeinen > > > > > > > Deutschen > > > > > > > > >> > > Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die > ADSp > > > > 2017 > > > > > > > > weichen > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >> > > Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für > > > > > > Güterschäden > > > > > > > > (§ > > > > > > > > >> 431 > > > > > > > > >> > > HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei > > multimodalen > > > > > > > > Transporten > > > > > > > > >> > > unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei > > unbekanntem > > > > > > > Schadenort > > > > > > > > >> auf > > > > > > > > >> > 2 > > > > > > > > >> > > SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg > > > > > > zusätzlich > > > > > > > > auf > > > > > > > > >> > 1,25 > > > > > > > > >> > > Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro > > je > > > > > > > > >> > Schadenereignis, > > > > > > > > >> > > mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind > auf > > > > > unserer > > > > > > > > >> Webseite > > > > > > > > >> > > als Download erhältlich. 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