On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: >> On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote: >> >> >>> Anders Hammar wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe something like this: >>>> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOT/How+to+add+a+3rd+party+jar >>>> >>>> I know that there is always possible to add more documentation, but I >>>> kindly >>>> ask you to appreciate that most people within the open source world do this >>>> without getting payed. If you've found some documentation that you think is >>>> missing, dig in and figure out how it works and submit that (docs or >>>> whatever) as a patch. If you don't know where to submit please ask, we'll >>>> point you in the right direction. >>>> >>>> /Anders >>>> >>>> >>> I appreciate all the great work that you guys do and I know that it is time >>> volunteered one way or another. >>> The reference is on the right track. It is too specific to their project >>> and appears to be a bit short on details. >>> It would be nice to have something that has a bit of the Maven Upload to >>> Central flavour but addressing the problem that the GEOT paper addresses. >>> >>> >> >> So why don't you add that? If you feel you're getting some value from Maven >> then take a few hours and save all the users after you some pain. >> >> > If I was not so far up to me ears in alligators and customers who are > becoming alligators, I might take a shot at it. > I still have to figure out how to do it and do it once. >
Now you know how we feel. Except our alligators don't pay us anything ;-) > You are putting me on the spot with the best argument known to man "Put up or > shut up". > I guess I do not have much choice now but to write something. I always do this to users. I've been doing this for 10 years now. Your arguments are constructive, we do need to improve some of the initiation processes, but it's often very hard for people who develop and use Maven every day to take a few steps back. A lot of times it's easier to have some active person who is new to the process and allow us to answer questions about what is correct or not, what is a best practice or not. Most of the time when I write documentation people just read it and go "huh?". > > Ron > >>> Ron >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 14:32, Ron Wheeler >>>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anders Hammar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Eh, not sure what you mean. Are you asking where in the Maven docs it is >>>>>> stated that the pom should be correct? I think that would go without >>>>>> saying, >>>>>> don't you? A default pom is most likely never correct, as think Jason >>>>>> said >>>>>> earlier in this thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Cute but not likely the issue. I think we can take correct POMs as a given >>>>> >>>>> Where does the documentation describe how to make a POM for a 3rd party >>>>> module and why that is worth doing. >>>>> What is the minimum info required? What are the optional things that you >>>>> should try to add for a module that is open source and for one that is >>>>> not? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> /Anders >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 13:46, Ron Wheeler >>>>>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Anders Hammar wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nexus is good, but it can't do magic. It will not solve the fact that >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> are no poms/metadata and therefore no dependencies info. You still need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> fix that yourself. >>>>>>>> I'm not a fan of just uploading the jars and using the default pom (no >>>>>>>> dependency info) as it will break Maven's dependency management. >>>>>>>> Artifacts >>>>>>>> like this will make Maven "look bad" and take away some of the pleasure >>>>>>>> working with Maven. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please invest in creating correct poms. If the source/project is open >>>>>>>> source >>>>>>>> it shouldn't be too hard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where is that documented/mentioned in the Maven docs? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /Anders >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 01:08, Ron Wheeler >>>>>>>> <rwhee...@artifact-software.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can recommend that you install the Nexus repository. >>>>>>>>> You can easily upload libraries like Language Tool and it will find it >>>>>>>>> right away. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It has a lot of other benefits as well and makes using Maven much more >>>>>>>>> pleasant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It can proxy all the other repos that you use and that makes you >>>>>>>>> workstation setup very easy - just configure your Nexus as a mirror of >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> other repositories. Maven will only ask one place. You can add a new >>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>> repository to your Nexus configuration and immediately it available to >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> your developers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Community version is free and is very easy to install. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have only had mine running for the past few months and wish I had >>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> 2 years ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ken Egervari wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, I am using a library called Language tool. Since it does not have >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> maven repository anywhere, I had to make a local one for it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, every time I execute any maven task, Maven will check >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> repositories for updated copies. This process can be rather slow and >>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>> rather maven just skipped it for these locally added libraries. This >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> it spits out. How do I stop it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release/languagetool/languagetool/1.0.0/languagetool-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:languagetool: >>>>>>>>>> pom:1.0.0' in repository com.springsource.repository.bundles.release >>>>>>>>>> ( >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone/languagetool/languagetool/1.0.0/languagetool-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:languagetool:pom:1.0.0' >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> repository Springframework milestone ( >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/languagetool/languagetool/1.0.0/languagetool-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:languagetool:pom:1.0.0' >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> repository jboss (http://repository.jboss.com/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2/languagetool/languagetool/1.0.0/languagetool-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:languagetool:pom:1.0.0' >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> repository snapshots.jboss.org (http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/languagetool/languagetool/1.0.0/languagetool-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:languagetool:pom:1.0.0' >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> repository central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release/languagetool/resource/1.0.0/resource-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:resource:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository com.springsource.repository.bundles.release ( >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone/languagetool/resource/1.0.0/resource-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:resource:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository Springframework milestone ( >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/languagetool/resource/1.0.0/resource-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:resource:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository jboss (http://repository.jboss.com/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2/languagetool/resource/1.0.0/resource-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:resource:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository snapshots.jboss.org (http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/languagetool/resource/1.0.0/resource-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:resource:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release/languagetool/rules/1.0.0/rules-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:rules:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository >>>>>>>>>> com.springsource.repository.bundles.release ( >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone/languagetool/rules/1.0.0/rules-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:rules:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository >>>>>>>>>> Springframework milestone (http://maven.springframework.org/milestone >>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/languagetool/rules/1.0.0/rules-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:rules:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository >>>>>>>>>> jboss (http://repository.jboss.com/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2/languagetool/rules/1.0.0/rules-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:rules:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository >>>>>>>>>> snapshots.jboss.org (http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/languagetool/rules/1.0.0/rules-1.0.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:rules:pom:1.0.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository >>>>>>>>>> central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release/languagetool/segment/1.3.0/segment-1.3.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:segment:pom:1.3.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository com.springsource.repository.bundles.release ( >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone/languagetool/segment/1.3.0/segment-1.3.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:segment:pom:1.3.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository Springframework milestone ( >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/languagetool/segment/1.3.0/segment-1.3.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:segment:pom:1.3.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository jboss (http://repository.jboss.com/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2/languagetool/segment/1.3.0/segment-1.3.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:segment:pom:1.3.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository snapshots.jboss.org (http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/languagetool/segment/1.3.0/segment-1.3.0.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:segment:pom:1.3.0' in >>>>>>>>>> repository central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release/languagetool/morfologik/1.2.1/morfologik-1.2.1.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:morfologik:pom:1.2.1' in >>>>>>>>>> repository com.springsource.repository.bundles.release ( >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone/languagetool/morfologik/1.2.1/morfologik-1.2.1.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:morfologik:pom:1.2.1' in >>>>>>>>>> repository Springframework milestone ( >>>>>>>>>> http://maven.springframework.org/milestone) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repository.jboss.com/maven2/languagetool/morfologik/1.2.1/morfologik-1.2.1.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:morfologik:pom:1.2.1' in >>>>>>>>>> repository jboss (http://repository.jboss.com/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2/languagetool/morfologik/1.2.1/morfologik-1.2.1.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:morfologik:pom:1.2.1' in >>>>>>>>>> repository snapshots.jboss.org (http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> Downloading: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/languagetool/morfologik/1.2.1/morfologik-1.2.1.pom >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'languagetool:morfologik:pom:1.2.1' in >>>>>>>>>> repository central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> 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