Vincent Massol wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Arik Kfir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: samedi 30 avril 2005 04:00 To: Maven Users List Subject: Re: Timeline for release 1.1
Just wondering, is there a point in getting a 1.1 out, with m2 coming in three-four months?
I, for one, would prefer that efforts go into making m2 better, faster,
leaner, meaner rather than into another m1 release, that probably won't
live too much after m2 is released...and don't forget the cost
maintaining one or two bug fix releases for 1.1 so...
You're kidding of course? I'm totally -1 to your idea. M2 is already a pain
in the neck for everyone already using Maven that it is a duty for Maven to
support as much as possible its existing users that it has attracted for the
past 3 years.
no I wasn't kidding, but based on answer I wish I were ;-)
Seriously, being an outsider to the Maven dev process, I didn't know/imagine that the initial release would /not/ provide the capabilities present in m1 - and if that is so, then I totally agree with you Vincent - m1 should continue to live on. For some reason I thought that it would provide some kind of a migration path. So - in light of this new info - I revert my opinion ;-)
Arik, you ay not realize but Maven is not a small and unknown open sourceI never intended to paint Maven as a small or unknown project! Quite the contrary - I believe that not only it is one of the better-managed oss projects today, but one with a clear strategy and coherent goals (heh.."goals"). Anyway, please don't take my remarks about the 1.1 release as offensive - I have only the deepest respect and admiration to what you guys are doing here - moreover, I have moved our entire development efforts in my place of work recently to use Maven - and believe you me we're talking about big projects.
project and it is being used in lots of major businesses. Migrating a m1
build to a m2 build is something that is far from being automated and it
will not happen before several years in lots of places. You want to keep
supporting these people and fix m1 bugs, etc.
Now all that said, you're already right (unfortunately): most maven core committers have already switched to m2 and are not helping much on m1. I bless Brett for doing so. He's doing a lot of good to Maven as a whole by continuing to support m1. Gladly we also have some m1 users that are m1 plugin committers and that are continuing to improve/fix the existing plugins.
I guess it is only natural - people want to work on newer/better stuff.
would love to help - I'll install m2 and fiddle with it to gain experience and try to convert stuff to help you guys. I'd have to do it anyway to convert our mevenide idea integration to m2 as well. Speaking of which - is there a document specifying the changes from m1 to m1.1? I need it for the same purpose.Personally I would like to see as much refactorings as possible to bring m1 as close as possible to m2 to make it an easier migration in the future. This is what Brett has started by bringing the Model and Wagon to m1.
I would like to see m1 plugins being refactored into plugins that can work
both in m1 and m2 (I think that ought to be possible in several cases but we
would probably need to develop a small m1 adapter layer). Alternatively m2
plugins could be made to work in m1 by adding this adapter layer. I'm still
unsure whether this is possible but I've started experimenting with it.
All that said, I'm also very excited to use m2. I have started to migrate my existing open source projects to m1 and I can do that because these projects are business-bound. I've also seen some limitations that currently exist in m2 and that will hopefully be fixed soon.
Thanks
-Vincent, answering for all existing business users of m1 ;-)
Thank you, for clearing things up :)
Brett Porter wrote:
There are no plans at the moment. Since it is incorporating many of the components from Maven 2 while remaining backwards compatible, the current effort is going into Maven2.
- Brett
On 4/29/05, Gisbert Amm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Maveners,
can you already say when release 1.1 will be ready?
Regards, Gisbert
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