I should also add that that does "not" include supporting 3rd party plugins... 
and often getting the source for them can be useful... i have my own versions 
of mojo hibernate, xslt among a few others while waiting for bug fixes...

thats like saying that micrsoft is responsible for the documentation of the 
drivers for my one-touch maxtor usb drive... just because i can't get the one 
touch button going on the maxtor does not make windows hard...

On Monday 24 September 2007 23:23, Rodrigo Madera wrote:
> Denis,
>
> I get what you mean now and I agree...
> I have spent hours with Maven debugging and I know what you feel.
>
> It's been less than five hours since I had to download the source code of a
> plugin to see what was going on inside of it... and got no results.
> Fortunately, knowledgeable people writing on these lists helped me out and
> made me continue my journey.
>
> In the corporate world, these hold backs are a serious risk to
> profitability.
>
> I just hope that Maven plugins get better documentation. I have nothing to
> complain on Maven's own, but plugin writers forget that other people
> haven't seen the source code of their plugin (not to say that everyone
> would make much sense of it).
>
> Maybe one day...
>
> Regards,
> Rodrigo
>
> On 9/24/07, Gisbert Amm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Michael McCallum wrote:
> > > with a few subtle exceptions related to bugs that are fixed in
> > > 2.0.7every question i've been asked in regard to using maven2 has been
> > > found in the documentation in under 5 minutes
> >
> > That might be the case for the questions you came across. The mere
> > traffic on this list proves that there are indeed loads of questions the
> > documentation doesn't answer. Also this kind of thread about how
> > improvable the documentation is occurs frequently on this list. The last
> > big attempt to make the docs better has AFAIK been this one:
> >
> > http://www.nabble.com/Maven-2.x-documentation-tf382504s177.html#a1055690
> >
> > Possibly that sort of campaign should be done on a regular base or, even
> > better, Maven should have a technical writer who cares about
> > documentation issues. I'm aware of the fact that Maven is a open source
> > project, however, there are businesses built around it (among other
> > tools) that might have an interest in better docs and less rant on the
> > mailing list.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents (I'm no native English speaker and therefore
> > unfortunately can't really help with this kind of task).
> >
> > -Gisbert
> >
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