Ah sorry, have overread that:
>> The time is spent in
>> htmlTableRenderer.encodeInnerHtml

I'd start the application with YourKit profiler and do some profiling.

You can get a free yourkit test license (14 days I think) for evaluation.

LieGrue,
strub

--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Michael Heinen <mhn4...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Heinen <mhn4...@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: JSF application very slow with HTTPS
> To: "MyFaces Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>
> Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 3:45 PM
>   Fat? Well there is a lot of EL
> in this table, nearly in all cells, 
> e.g. for column widths, values, styles etc.
> The EL is always hitting backing beans, some with
> additional map access.
> 
> But the real problem is the poor HTTPS performance compared
> to HTTP.
> It should not be caused by the app and also not by JSF or
> Tomcat of course.
> There should be a little overhead for additional
> handshaking, but not 
> for the rendering!
> Could this be caused by a buffering whereever?
> 
> Mark (or anybody else), did you compare your app with http
> and https?
> Just wondering whether this is a problem only in my app.
> 
> Regards,
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> Am 11.04.2011 17:27, schrieb Mark Struberg:
> > Btw another question: 1s local response time? How fat
> is this page?
> >
> > We have a really big page in production with 1400
> lines in a dataTable - and it renders in 450 ms...
> >
> > How many back-and-forth requests do you see if you
> open firebug?
> > Do you have some EL involved which isn't hitting the
> backing bean but directly goes into the database? Something
> in this direction...
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> > --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Mike Kienenberger<mkien...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Mike Kienenberger<mkien...@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: JSF application very slow with HTTPS
> >> To: "MyFaces Discussion"<users@myfaces.apache.org>
> >> Cc: "Michael Heinen"<mhn4...@googlemail.com>
> >> Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 2:20 PM
> >> I also use
> >> jetty-6.1.22.   My environment is
> almost
> >> identical to
> >> yours, give or take a minor version number.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Michael
> Heinen<mhn4...@googlemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>   Hi,
> >>>
> >>> My JSF application is very slow via HTTPS.
> >>> Some parts are 15 times slower compared to
> HTTP
> >>>
> >>> I measured the response times of the xhtml
> requests
> >> with Fiddler (locally
> >>> and over network)
> >>>
> >>> Result for a very large page (512 KB) with a
> big
> >> datatable without ajax
> >>> usage:
> >>> --  local access with HTTP:  1 sec
> >>> --  local access with HTTPS: 15-16 sec
> >>>
> >>> Other pages are factor 2-4 slower, with or
> without
> >> ajax.
> >>> The time is spent in
> >> htmlTableRenderer.encodeInnerHtml. Data is of
> course
> >>> available, there is no additional backend
> access.
> >>>
> >>> The simple download of xhtml files or other
> files is
> >> NOT (noticeable)
> >>> slower.
> >>> Other non JSF applications running on the same
> servers
> >> are also not slower
> >>> with HTTPS.
> >>>
> >>> Before I start profiling:
> >>> - Does anybody have an idea where I should
> look at?
> >>> - Are there any known JSF or webApp settings
> that
> >> influence https
> >>> performance?
> >>>
> >>> Environment:
> >>>   Facelets
> >>>   myFaces 1.2.9
> >>>   tomahawk12_1.1.10
> >>>   richfaces 3.3.3
> >>>   tomcat 6.0.29
> >>>   jdk 1.6.0_23
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> 
>

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