2009/10/14 Harold Fuchs <[email protected]> > > > 2009/10/14 Twayne <[email protected]> > >> Hi Harold, >> >> I "paricipate" via the gmane.org newsgroup. Please keep that in mind as >> you read my questions. >> I am only subscribed to this newsgroup server and not to the actual >> list, and then only a few select newsgroups. I prefer to choose my >> querants as opposed to receiving them en-masse, so to speak. >> > > Your message *seems* to come from an e-mail address ( > [email protected]) that *is* subscribed to this *list* ( > [email protected]). I don't know why this should be the case, given > that you say you're not subscribed to it. > > >> You personally often "forward" to "unsubscribed OP" which is a great, >> unselfish thing to do. I see it happen quite often and I see other >> places where I suspect it should happen. Perhaps you could square us >> away on this one more time: >> >> -- Example: Josh Swan posted about "Wrong software downloaded" on >> 10-12-09. >> How did you know he was unsubscribed? >> > > The trigger is as follows. The "querant" (not in my dictionary, but > probably should be as it's rather useful) is *not* subscribed [to this > list] *if and only if* the mail message contains the header > Delivered-To: moderator for [email protected] > > If the message does not contain this header then the sender is subscribed. > > In other words, messages from non-subscribed querants, and only those > messages, are delivered to the moderator who then may or may not release > them to the list. > > As far as I know there is no other reliable indicator. > > I read this list in two different ways - either via Thunderbird or via > Firefox. Thunderbird allows me to set up a filter to highlight messages > having the relevant header so it's easy to identify them. Firefox doesn't > but Gmail (which is what I use) lets one examine the headers manually. So > using Thunderbrd is less effort although the copy/paste (see below) is the > same for both. > > >> Where do you forward the response to? Is it [email protected]? >> > > I copy the querant's e-mail address from his/her message, hit the Reply > button (so my reply is going to be sent to [email protected]) and then > paste the copied e-mail address into the To: or cc: list of my reply. Thus > my reply is sent to the list *and* to the querant's personal e-mail > address. In this way (a) the querant is sure to get a copy and (b) other > list readers can easily see that s/he will. > > >> When you are so courteous as to forward for a poster, perhaps if >> you mentioned the address you forwarded to in your post a few times, >> many of us might start to catch on and begin to do the same thing. >> > > Flattery will get you anywhere ;-) > > >> >> -- I thought that would only have to be done for the "moderated" tags >> on the posts but apparently not; what exactly IS the trigger to realize >> the querant isn't going to see the response? >> > >> I've actually taken a pass on some posts I could have responded to where >> no one else did, because I knew the person wouldn't get the post, so I >> just let it go by. That's not really a very good attitude when the >> purpose is to assist people who need it. >> >> Also, in your sig, you have "Please reply *only* to >> [email protected]". Is that meant for when resonding to YOU? Or >> what? Is the gmane.org the wrong place to address you? >> > > My sig is merely there to prevent people replying to my personal e-mail > address rather than to the list. I use a special e-mail address for this > list and any messages addressed to it personally just get junked; I never > even examine them. > > I'm not an expert on Gmane but I *think* it merely takes e-mail messages > from the list and transforms them into Usenet format (NNTP*) where they can > be read via a News reader. In the other direction, Gmane takes your Usenet > posts, transforms them into e-mail format (SMTP*) and sends them to this > list. Thus, when you participate via Gmane, your e-mail address *must* be > subscribed to Gmane but doesn't have to be subscribed to anything else. > > * SMTP and NNTP are specifications (RFCs) that define how messages are > formatted - headers, legal character sets and so on - as well as the port > numbers and "conversational protocols" over which data transmission takes > place. They are very different animals although many programs (Thunderbird, > Outlook Express, ...) support both within the one framework and with largely > the same UI. > > >> I'm confused! >> > > HTH :-) > > >> >> Regards, >> >> Twayne` >> >> > > > -- > Harold Fuchs > London, England > > Please reply *only* to [email protected] >
Sorry. I forgot. I don't think News readers (NNTP/Usenet/Gmane) let you examine the message headers in sufficient detail to tell if a message came from a subscribed poster or not. I have tried reading this list via Gmane using Outlook Express's news reader and Thunderbird's. Neither of those let me see the "Delivered To:" headers. OK, that's only two out of very many but I think it's generally true because news readers work differently from mail readers. -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to [email protected]
