"Harold Fuchs" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > 2009/10/14 Twayne <[email protected]> > >> Hi Harold, >> >> I "paricipate" via the gmane.org newsgroup. Please keep that in mind >> as you read my questions. >> I am only subscribed to this newsgroup server and not to the actual >> list, and then only a few select newsgroups. I prefer to choose my >> querants as opposed to receiving them en-masse, so to speak. >> > > Your message *seems* to come from an e-mail address > ([email protected]) that *is* subscribed to this *list* > ([email protected]). I don't know why this should be the case, > given that you say you're not subscribed to it.
My bad; it's been a long time. Yes, I think I did subscribe to get gmane posting permissions on a case by case basis. I should probably go back and reread a lot of the FAQs. > > >> You personally often "forward" to "unsubscribed OP" which is a great, >> unselfish thing to do. I see it happen quite often and I see other >> places where I suspect it should happen. Perhaps you could square us >> away on this one more time: >> >> -- Example: Josh Swan posted about "Wrong software downloaded" on >> 10-12-09. >> How did you know he was unsubscribed? >> > > The trigger is as follows. The "querant" (not in my dictionary, but > probably should be as it's rather useful) is *not* subscribed [to > this list] *if and only if* the mail message contains the header > Delivered-To: moderator for [email protected] > > If the message does not contain this header then the sender is > subscribed. > > In other words, messages from non-subscribed querants, and only those > messages, are delivered to the moderator who then may or may not > release them to the list. > > As far as I know there is no other reliable indicator. Ahh, I see! That's fine; it's easy enough to check the headers. > > I read this list in two different ways - either via Thunderbird or via > Firefox. Thunderbird allows me to set up a filter to highlight > messages having the relevant header so it's easy to identify them. > Firefox doesn't but Gmail (which is what I use) lets one examine the > headers manually. So using Thunderbrd is less effort although the > copy/paste (see below) is the same for both. Hmm, didn't know TB could do that; thanks! > > >> Where do you forward the response to? Is it [email protected]? >> > > I copy the querant's e-mail address from his/her message, hit the > Reply button (so my reply is going to be sent to > [email protected]) and then paste the copied e-mail address into > the To: or cc: list of my reply. Thus my reply is sent to the list > *and* to the querant's personal e-mail address. In this way (a) the > querant is sure to get a copy and (b) other list readers can easily > see that s/he will. Hmm, OK, sort of makes sense. Address users@ AND their given address. I can handle that. You haven't mentioned the subject line "(moderated)" posts. I assume those are the same? Seems like they're all coming from the list moderator/s, right? > > >> When you are so courteous as to forward for a poster, perhaps >> if you mentioned the address you forwarded to in your post a few >> times, many of us might start to catch on and begin to do the same >> thing. >> > > Flattery will get you anywhere ;-) lol, first thing my Mother taught me! But I meant what I said. > > >> >> -- I thought that would only have to be done for the "moderated" >> tags on the posts but apparently not; what exactly IS the trigger to >> realize the querant isn't going to see the response? >> > >> I've actually taken a pass on some posts I could have responded to >> where no one else did, because I knew the person wouldn't get the >> post, so I just let it go by. That's not really a very good >> attitude when the purpose is to assist people who need it. >> >> Also, in your sig, you have "Please reply *only* to >> [email protected]". Is that meant for when resonding to YOU? Or >> what? Is the gmane.org the wrong place to address you? >> > > My sig is merely there to prevent people replying to my personal > e-mail address rather than to the list. I use a special e-mail > address for this list and any messages addressed to it personally > just get junked; I never even examine them. > > I'm not an expert on Gmane but I *think* it merely takes e-mail > messages from the list and transforms them into Usenet format (NNTP*) > where they can be read via a News reader. In the other direction, > Gmane takes your Usenet posts, transforms them into e-mail format > (SMTP*) and sends them to this list. Thus, when you participate via > Gmane, your e-mail address *must* be subscribed to Gmane but doesn't > have to be subscribed to anything else. > > * SMTP and NNTP are specifications (RFCs) that define how messages are > formatted - headers, legal character sets and so on - as well as the > port numbers and "conversational protocols" over which data > transmission takes place. They are very different animals although > many programs (Thunderbird, Outlook Express, ...) support both within > the one framework and with largely the same UI. Yup; I'm familiar with those RFCs and more. Cheers, Twayne` ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
