Hello Robbie, I completely agree that we should not tie our code to a specific JMS provider.
"such that there is obviously no message available in the time it is doing that" I didn't get your point here. If my receiver enters a reconnect loop there might still be available messages pending in the broker. In the end I guess it's mainly a question of feedback at the level of our JMS client. Even if we reconnect for hours we want our client to be notified quickly that something is going wrong... Olivier -----Original Message----- From: Robbie Gemmell <robbie.gemm...@gmail.com> Sent: lundi 1 avril 2019 14:13 To: users@qpid.apache.org Subject: Re: [QPID JMS] receive with timeout and reconnect I wouldn't consider it an internal error that you have expressly configured the client to sit reconnecting and it is currently doing so, such that there is obviously no message available in the time it is doing that but also no final connection failure since you have configured it not to fail the connection without hours of retry. As result I would not choose to throw an exception from receive() in that scenario. Theres also not much you can reasonably do with an exception there either except try the consumer again regardless, or close the consumer immediately and then do something like try creating a new one (which is going to run into the reconnections again), or perhaps cleaning up entirely and creating a new connection (which your reconnect config suggests you dont want to do) getting largely back to square one. Since exceptions would be impl-only in this case, using provider-specific exception handling to discern detail and adjust behaviour would be tying your code non portably to that JMS provider impl, not something I'd recommend. Robbie On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 14:56, VERMEULEN Olivier <olivier.vermeu...@murex.com> wrote: > > Hello Robbie, > > The behavior we expect from the receive with timeout actually comes from our > understanding of the JMS documentation (that may be wrong). > > " This call blocks until a message arrives, the timeout expires, or this > message consumer is closed. " > That's why we are expecting the receive to return (with a null value or an > exception, that's the second question) after the receive timeout and not > after the whole reconnect process which is set to 2 hours in our case. > > Now regarding what should be returned/thrown, the doc says: > " Throws: JMSException - if the JMS provider fails to receive the next > message due to some internal error." > Isn't it the case here, we actually failed to receive the next message, no? > > Thanks, > Olivier > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robbie Gemmell <robbie.gemm...@gmail.com> > Sent: mardi 12 mars 2019 15:04 > To: users@qpid.apache.org > Subject: Re: [QPID JMS] receive with timeout and reconnect > > I wouldn't use an exception if the server was known to be down and the client > has been explicitly configured to keep reconnecting. If the reconnections are > ultimately exhausted, then an exception is appropriate. > > If the connection is considered live and the server doesnt respond, then an > exception is also reasonable. The JMS client does that and closes the > consumer entirely, since if a drain attempt doesnt complete (with messages or > without) you then cant reason about future attempts properly. > > Robbie > > On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 16:33, HADI Ali <ali.h...@murex.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > We agree that the send and receive operations are different because in the > > case of the receive we can reach the timeout even if the sender is > > responding correctly ( no message available ). > > > > We already faced this issue in the implementation of the receive function > > in our synchronous C++ API and we solved it by separating the two different > > receive cases : > > - Receiving with no message available : The drain call will not hang > > meaning the server is responding and no messages are available so we can > > return NULL to the receiver. > > - Receiving while the server is hanging : The drain call will hang because > > the server is not responding meaning we should return an exception ( same > > as the send timeout ). > > > > What do you think of this approach? > > > > Regards, > > Ali > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robbie Gemmell <robbie.gemm...@gmail.com> > > Sent: lundi 11 mars 2019 15:51 > > To: users@qpid.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [QPID JMS] receive with timeout and reconnect > > > > Correct, its not possible for local-only operation while disabling > > prefetching, as thats necessarily requiring remote-only. > > > > While the cases are related I'd also consider the two situations somwhat > > different, in that the sender already has a message to process while the > > receiver does not and may not for the entire time you have configured > > things to consider the connection not failed. > > > > As I said, I probably wouldnt throw in this case but it could perhaps > > return null over and over again, though doing so would be tricky as there > > are a bunch more mechanics in the receiver and disabling prefetch further > > complicates matters as youve partly seen. > > > > Robbie > > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 14:02, HADI Ali <ali.h...@murex.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > According to the documentation the jms.receiveLocalOnly URI option will > > > make the receive calls with a timeout will only check a consumers local > > > message buffer. This option will solve the receive with timeout issue > > > only if we are prefetching messages. > > > > > > In our case, our prefetch policy is set to zero. Can’t the receive with > > > timeout behave the same way the send timeout does? As a client of the JMS > > > API, I would expect the receive with timeout to exit in the worst case > > > when the timeout expires no matter what is happening in the background ( > > > Reconnect option triggered ). > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ali > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Robbie Gemmell <robbie.gemm...@gmail.com> > > > Sent: mardi 26 février 2019 17:27 > > > To: users@qpid.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: [QPID JMS] receive with timeout and reconnect > > > > > > I guess it is probably blocking on beginning an attempt to drain the link > > > credit as way to verify no messages before returning null. > > > Setting the jms.receiveLocalOnly URI option true would stop it draining > > > the link and so I guess let it return null instead of waiting for the > > > failover process to complete. > > > > > > I dont think I'd ever choose to throw from the consumer there, > > > alternatively it could just return null repeatedly since thats what it > > > does otherwise when there arent messages it can give. > > > > > > Robbie > > > > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 10:16, VERMEULEN Olivier > > > <olivier.vermeu...@murex.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > We're using QPID JMS 0.39.0 with a set of reconnect options that makes > > > > the client retry to connect for 2 hours in case of problem. > > > > When doing a synchronous receive call with a smaller timeout (like 60 > > > > seconds) we were expecting to receive a TimeOutException after 60 > > > > seconds but we actually have to wait for the whole reconnect to end, so > > > > 2 hours. > > > > Is that expected? 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