Hi Piotr,
the compiler can be improved, but needs some time to master and understand
in order to not break current apps.
You can learn about it and ask here to pursue that objective and will be
appreciated. Others here can help you with your doubts about how it works.
But it's not an easy task.
El vie., 23 oct. 2020 a las 20:39, Piotr Grudzinski (<pi...@powersmiths.com>)
escribió:
> Looking at the index.html in the bin/js-debug folder, it contains 250
> goog.goog.addDependency() lines.
> Hope someone can help me to understand:
> 1. How does the index.html relate to HelloWorld.js in the js-release
> folder? Is the stuff in js-release generated based on the js-debug?
> 2. Are all the 250 goog.goog.addDependency() lines really needed?
> 3. In the first line:
> goog.addDependency('../../../HelloWorld_mx_managers_SystemManager.js', ...
> I have removed many item(?) in the 'requires' argument,
> e.g. 'org.apache.royale.utils.Timer', and the webpage is not visibly
> affected.
> How/where is it decided what does into this argument?
>
> Any help will be appreciated,
> Piotr
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:42 PM Greg Dove <greg.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Piotr,
>>
>> Emulation will always have more weight because, in addition to a
>> reasonably 'heavy' (but very capable) framework, in js there is also
>> emulation of certain flash player features that were not part of the flex
>> framework itself but are not present in the browser. (such as emulation of
>> flash.utils.Timer, for example).
>> There are undoubtedly improvements that we can make over time to reduce
>> size. But emulation's main priority is to 'get things working' first, so I
>> do expect that will come later.
>>
>> But also it is not simply correct to compare
>> HelloWorld.swf with HelloWorld.js
>>
>> The HelloWorld.swf is internally compressed with lzma compression after
>> it has been built.
>>
>> HelloWorld.js would typically be deployed on a server that uses gzip
>> compression when sending content. The 'minified' js output is optimized for
>> this expectation, so it is better to gzip that javascript file and compare
>> that to the swf size.
>> So to compare/test, in the past on windows I have used the 7zip
>> application (I use 'normal' compression level, I don't know what is used on
>> web servers).
>>
>> Hope that helps...
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 6:10 AM Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Piotr,
>>>
>>> I think it is the same issue that happened with Flex. And the reason why
>>> PAYG was adopted
>>> If you don't want that overweight you must leave emulation and go with
>>> pure Royale, is a bit more work in the layout, but I think it's worth it.
>>>
>>> El mar., 20 oct. 2020 a las 19:06, Piotr Grudzinski (<
>>> pi...@powersmiths.com>) escribió:
>>>
>>>> The HelloWorld.swf file is only 79KB in size.
>>>> Looking at the initial part of the HelloWorld.js with a text editor
>>>> gives me an impression that most of the stuff in this file is never used.
>>>> Examples:
>>>> Bl='org.apache.royale.utils.Timer'
>>>> vf='org.apache.royale.graphics.GradientEntry'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 12:08 PM Yishay Weiss <yishayj...@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, missed that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So to expand a bit on Carlos’s answer, using emulation will probably
>>>>> cut down dev time but will certainly increase app size. If you are looking
>>>>> for the leanest solution that’s what Basic is for. Jewel is less focused
>>>>> on
>>>>> app size but will probably still be somewhat smaller than emulation. I
>>>>> don’t think we ever made precise measurements, but that’s the general
>>>>> idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 20, 2020 6:13 PM
>>>>> *To: *users@royale.apache.org
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: How to minify mxroyale\HelloWorld .js file
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Yishay,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> he's talking about reducing size of the js-release version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El mar., 20 oct. 2020 a las 17:07, Yishay Weiss (<
>>>>> yishayj...@hotmail.com>) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> There should be [1] a minified version under js-release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/get-started/hello-world
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, October 19, 2020 11:06 PM
>>>>> *To: *users@royale.apache.org
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: How to minify mxroyale\HelloWorld .js file
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't think so. I'm not an expert on Flex emulation in Royale but it's
>>>>> trying to work as Flex did, so I think if original flex hello world was
>>>>> around 500kb is normal that emulation is around that size.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Although Royale has a better architecture based on PAYG and
>>>>> strand/beads, only using UI Sets like Basic or Jewel will make you get
>>>>> better and lower sizes in your app.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's one of the tradebacks in using emulation vs a newer ui set you
>>>>> get it working with less changes in your code, but the size will be pretty
>>>>> similar I think.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El lun., 19 oct. 2020 a las 16:41, Piotr Grudzinski (<
>>>>> pi...@powersmiths.com>) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have built the the mxroyale\HelloWorld example using a command line
>>>>> with the following options:
>>>>>
>>>>> -debug=false -targets=JSRoyale +configname=flex
>>>>>
>>>>> The HelloWorld.js file in the js-release folder is 504KB in size which
>>>>> feels quite big for such a simple application.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any compiler options available to minify the generated .js
>>>>> file?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any other ideas to minify it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache Member & Apache Royale PMC
>>>>>
>>>>> *Apache Software Foundation*
>>>>>
>>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>>>
>>>>> Apache Member & Apache Royale PMC
>>>>>
>>>>> *Apache Software Foundation*
>>>>>
>>>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carlos Rovira
>>> Apache Member & Apache Royale PMC
>>> *Apache Software Foundation*
>>> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>>>
>>>
--
Carlos Rovira
Apache Member & Apache Royale PMC
*Apache Software Foundation*
http://about.me/carlosrovira
