> -----Original Message-----
 > From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:29 PM
 > To: Meng Weng Wong
 > Cc: Kelson; users@spamassassin.apache.org
 > Subject: Re: SPF-Compliant Spam
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Meng Weng Wong wrote:
 > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Kelson wrote:
 > >
 > >> Jason Bertoch wrote:
 > >>> Is it wise to blacklist both, or is this yet another 
 > case where SPF 
 > >>> has failed
 > >>> to meet projections?
 > >>
 > >> It's a case where the spammer has just handed you useful 
 > information: 
 > >> You know for sure that the domain name is, indeed, the spammer's 
 > >> domain name, and not an innocent third-party's.  
 > Blacklist it without 
 > >> hesitation!
 > >>
 > >
 > > Yes, that usage was exactly the design intent of SPF.
 > >
 > > Once you move from IP to domain reputation, you can do many 
 > > interesting things.
 > >
 > > For example, you can go from the known-bad domain to its 
 > nameservers.
 > >
 > > You can then go from those nameservers to detect other bad domains.
 > >
 > > The URIBL plugin associates URL -> domain -> IP -> 
 > reputation lookup.
 > >
 > > I am writing a similar plugin that associates domain -> NS -> 
 > > reputation lookup.
 > >
 > >
 > 
 > Meng - you are doing the email community a huge disservice 
 > with SPF. I 
 > wish you'd just end this lie because SPF is less than 
 > useless. I breaks 
 > existing forwarding standards and it causes false positives. 
 > SPF DOESN'T 
 > WORK!
 > 
 > 

A lamp doesn't work either, until you plug it in. Use it correctly and it
works, don't and it doesn't

Rick


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