On 1/29/2017 7:42 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2017 16:33:24 +0000
David Jones <djo...@ena.com> wrote:
Read back through this thread. I never said their SPF record is
invalid. All I said is their SPF record is not common and it makes it
very hard for anyone to know what the official Yahoo outbound mail
servers are.
Why is that important? Can't you just whitelist the domain yahoo.com if
and only if it hits SPF "pass"?
We have to work very hard to get our MTAs to whitelist
them. It's in their own best interest to make this information
easily available to the Internet since so much spam comes out of
their platform.
Then why would you whitelist them?
They are too large to not whitelist.
Nobody is too large to not whitelist. They're obviously too large to
block, but you'd be foolish to accept any and all mail from a Yahoo
server unless you like an awful lot of spam.
Regards,
Dianne.
Dianne,
I can't speak for David, but most or all of your answers don't apply to
my own anti-spam blacklist's attempt to try to avoid blacklisting Yahoo
IPs that are both known for sending much spam, but which also would have
a very high rate of collateral damage if blacklisted. (recognizing that
some very good DNSBLs, which are more aggressive, are more willing to
blacklist Yahoo IPs, and that isn't always a bad thing)
...and/or your answer requires more on-going receiver-side resources.
Interestingly, many senders would crawl over broken glass if necessary
to provide me their IPs, if said I was seeking those for my whitelist.
Also, when David said "whitelist", I can take an educated guess that he
isn't allowing Yahoo-sent messages free unfiltered access to the inbox -
he is probably just trying to avoid DNSBL checking of those particular
IPs - but then he'll probably STILL do other content filtering of those
messages. That would be my educated guess. And this would be a SMART
strategy.
Personally, when I get messages from Yahoo into my hosting business - I
have the IPs generally not checked - since I already have most Yahoo IPs
whitelisted - then I only content-check the messages - BUT... next I
AMPLY any content scoring of such messages since these came from Yahoo
and are more likely to be spam - that is, if the sender isn't already in
a carefully cultivated exception list of known good Yahoo senders
(specific to my mail hosting user base) - I do this for all freemail
senders known to send a high volume of spam.
I know you mentioned that Yahoo may want to have the flexibility to
change their IPs. But instead of providing a list, they could also
provide a link to a web page listing the IPs (like what Comcast does) -
and then just update that web page whenever their IPs change. This isn't
rocket science.
As it stands, it is mind boggling just how many Yahoo ranges of sending
IPs there are worldwide. Over the years, I've added 53 yahoo entries to
my whitelist. Besides the hundreds and hundreds of /24s ranges in there
(many are multiple consecutive /24s, showing up as just one line of
those 53 entries), there are also several /16s, too. It would be nice to
be able to compare that to Yahoo's current list active sending IPs (if
such were available?), so that I could EFFICIENTLY update/prune that
part of my whitelist.
And I strongly suspect that iterating though the millions of IPs to
check FCrDNS would take a very, very long time - and might get such
probing IPs blacklisted for abuse/intrusion-protection?
--
Rob McEwen
