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Don,

On 12/1/17 3:14 AM, Don Flinn wrote:
> I'll be happy to accept your challenge to try to write some
> documentation for the site from a newbee's point of view.  It will
> be on the slow side as my 'day job' will interfere somewhat.  It
> also will require some correction of errors.

No problem at all. Just reach-out to the group if you need any
hand-holding.

- -chris
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Christopher Schultz < 
> ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
> 
> Don,
> 
> On 11/28/17 4:55 PM, Don Flinn wrote:
>>>>>> In fact, I think you are using PEM-encoded DER files and
>>>>>> not a packaged keystore, even though your
>>>>>> SSLHostConfig's keystoreType is set to "PKCS12".
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I am using PEM files.  Got to read more on DER files.
> 
> PEM is an encoding, while DER is really the file format. It's like 
> saying "is this file text/plain or UTF-8?"
> 
> This is a great read for almost anyone who cares about x509
> certificates :
> 
> https://support.ssl.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/19/0/der-vs-crt-vs-
ce
>
> 
r-vs-pem-certificates-and-how-to-convert-them
> 
>>>> So do I just drop the keystoreType="PKCS12"  from the
>>>> connector?
> Theoretically, yes. The keystoreType is only used when there is a 
> keystore and not "certificate files", etc.
> 
>>>>> If there's anything inaccurate on the Tomcat site
>>>> 
>>>> No, I was talking about other sites, not the Tomcat site.
>>>> I've been reading all over the internet for that which seems
>>>> related. My statement was a caution to not believe everything
>>>> you read. 'Trust but verify'
> 
> Mark has given a number of presentations on TLS and they are very 
> accessible. Have a look at the slides (and some audio/video) on
> the "presentations" page on the Tomcat site. Each of them has a
> varying level of "introductoryness", but I think the more recent
> ones like "Introduction to Tomcat and TLS" from TomcatCon in Miami
> are probably the best ones to see for beginners.
> 
>>>> Your e-mail has been very helpful, not only to me, but I
>>>> believe to others.  With respect to the Tomcat site, I think
>>>> a lot of what you wrote would be very helpful there.  For
>>>> example, the Tomcat write up on SSL describes how to do self
>>>> signed certificates and fleetingly mentions that if you have
>>>> a certificate from a CA that you could use e.g. openssl and
>>>> then refers the reader to their java documentation and
>>>> openssl documentation.  Not too helpful to the 
>>>> security/Tomcat novice.
> 
> Agreed. Would you care to write some new documentation and/or
> prepare a patch for the site? IT's usually best when beginners
> write for their own audience. I, for example, understand it
> backwards and forwards so when I write I have a skewed perspective.
> Writing as a beginner can re-focus the narrative for a different
> audience.
> 
> If you need any help grabbing the site from svn, etc. please just
> ask.
> 
>>>> Thanks for your patience and help.
> 
> You are more important than the software. No, really: 
> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf_15_community_over_code
>
>  -chris
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