On 29/01/2010 14:11, Hüsnü Þentürk wrote:
Chuck and Chris,
Thanks for yor explanations,

Let me, try to summarize what I understand  adding some extra info and ask my 
questions.

Is following classifications true for memory usage of Java ? If not please 
correct it.

A. Java memory usage when application is started as a windows service:
        1. Heap memory
        * objects
        2. Non-heap memory
        * PermGen (holds reflective data (meta-data) of the JVM itself, such as 
class and method objects and static fields )
        * JVM's itself ( Garbage collector, managing heap etc.)
        * Java service wrapper dlls.

B. Java memory usage when application is with a batch file:
        1. Heap memory
        * objects
        2. Non-heap memory
        * PermGen (holds reflective data (meta-data) of the JVM itself, such as 
class and method objects and static fields )
        * JVM's itself ( Garbage collector, managing heap etc.)
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If I turn my first e-mail, in my example, java heap size was 512 MB, I did'nt 
define  PermSize parameter so application uses default value 64 MB. Sum of 
PermGen and Heap memory usage smalller then 600,980 KB which I see on Task 
Manager. Can you explain the reason of this difference?

  Heap             PermGen
512 MB    +   64 MB    = 576 MB = 589824 KB<    600980 KB

Firs e-mail
"In our company, we are using apache tomcat as a windows service. We defined jvm parameters 
"--JvmMs 512 --JvmMx 512" in service.bat. But application is using 600,980 KB memory. I 
expect the application not to use more then 512 MB."

The overall size of the heap is controlled by 3 different groups of settings, not just the one you referred to:

 -Xms512M          -Xmx512M

 -XX:NewSize=32m   -XX:MaxNewSize=4096m

 -XX:PermSize=64m  -XX:MaxPermSize=128m

The overall amount of memory used is the sum of current values of each these groups, plus non-heap memory.


(How'd I do?)


p


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From: "Caldarale, Charles R"<chuck.caldar...@unisys.com>
To: Tomcat Users List<users@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 10:32:01 PM
Subject: RE: tomcat memory usage

From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net]
Subject: Re: tomcat memory usage

What else goes into PermGen, other than java.lang.Class objects?

It varies by JVM level.  In the original HotSpot implementation it was pretty 
much just the instances of java.lang.Class.  As things evolved, a lot of 
class/method/field metadata migrated into PermGen from the C heap, pushed 
there, I suspect, by the growing use and sophistication of JMX and JVMTI, as 
well as making it easier for GC to clean up dead classes.  AFAIK, none of these 
secondary structures are directly visible to Java code.

- Chuck


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