Hi, > 2) I like the back button support. My thinking is that extending Wicket's > AJAX integration to also support the back button (somehow) is a must. > Virtually everyone who uses Wicket will use it's AJAX functionality. Almost > all of these will need solve this problem. Sure would be nice if it was > included. There are plans to do this. However, it's a complicate problem that a simple solution won't cut. We have a server side part in place though. It's the javascript that needs to be extended, but our resources are too limited currently to do that. > 3) The design-by-inheritance model (WebPage, AbstractBehavior, etc). has > produced a somewhat fragmented library. Reminds me of the days of MFC. > T5's approach in this respect seems quite attractive. Would you mind elaborating on this a little? I kind of fail to see what's wrong with inheritance and why are people avoiding it like a plague nowadays. Is it really that much better to have your code annotated and called by reflection/bytecode generation? How discoverable such API is? How can you navigate such code? (forget call hierarchy).
As a sidenote, I remember Igor building @OnBeforeRender like annotations, but he wasn't very happy with it and neither was I. -Matej > > Thanks for listening, > Erik > > On 8/22/07, Konstantin Ignatyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My story: > > > > I have been very satisfied Tapestry 3 used and T3 has > > helped tremendously with building applications in the > > past. > > > > Then I was busy doing other things although keeping > > eye on T and recently I needed to build a live > > prototype quickly, naturally my first reaction was to > > pick up Dreamweaver and try Tapestry 5. > > > > T5 is amazingly good BUT I needed Ajax support and at > > this moment Wicket makes leaps and bounds around T5 in > > this area. > > > > So I abandoned T5 and started using Wicket - so far I > > am very satisfied with it although worry if Wicket is > > production grade for high traffic sites because of its > > heavy use of HttpSession as storage. > > > > So for now I will use Wicket for prototyping and small > > apps and keep my eye on T5. T4 is no-go for me - I am > > too lazy > > > > --- Chris Chiappone <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > A colleague of mine and I had a discussion about > > > this because he was > > > sorting through new frameworks to use for a new > > > project. I have been > > > using Tapestry since v3 and wanted him to give it a > > > try. Unfotunately > > > he ended up picking Wicket because of the fear that > > > Tapestry has > > > issues with backward compatibility. I am now > > > wondering if I made the > > > right choice in choosing tapestry for my > > > applications. He built his > > > application quickly and it is impressive using > > > Wickets built in AJAX > > > components. Upgrading in Tapestry has been a pain > > > going from 3 - 4 > > > and obviously 5 isn't even possible. I wish I could > > > have choose tap 5 > > > for my latest project but it was too beta and > > > doesn't play well with > > > other frameworks, ie a large legacy app with a > > > Struts like framework. > > > > > > Anyway its a hard decision, they both have plus' and > > > minus' > > > > > > ~chris > > > > > > On 8/22/07, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say Tapestry 5 wins the challenge unless > > > you plane to use T4. > > > > > > > > Tapestry 5 uses annotations, and this is a very > > > important advanced feature > > > > in Java. You don't need to extend WOComponent, > > > WebPage or what ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think all frameworks will use the annotations in > > > the future; the question > > > > is when is available. > > > > > > > > T5 does and it's ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, the real question you should ask > > > "Do I want to use > > > > annotations or classical framework?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try T5 a little, and you will fast mention the > > > power of annotations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signature IT-Consult Armainak Sarkis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Alex Shneyderman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <users@wicket.apache.org> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:13 AM > > > > Subject: wicket vs tapestry ? > > > > > > > > > > > > >I just started to look for a component based > > > framework. I came across > > > > > both tapestry and wicket (and it would be hard > > > not to as you guys > > > > > share the same host) but I kind of fail to see > > > what the differences > > > > > are? > > > > > > > > > > From my limited experiments with both, wicket > > > and tapestry seem to be > > > > > quite similar. So, I wonder if there is anything > > > I am not seeing? > > > > > Anyone has a comparisson map of wicket vs > > > tapestry? > > > > > > > > > > Alex. > > > > > > > > > > PS: I like both frameworks for their lightness I > > > just feel that I will > > > > > need to stick with one to be pragmatic :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~chris > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > Konstantin Ignatyev > > > > > > > > > > PS: If this is a typical day on planet earth, humans will add fifteen > > million tons of carbon to the atmosphere, destroy 115 square miles of > > tropical rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between > > forty to one hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add > > 2,700 tons of CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by > > 263,000 > > > > Bowers, C.A. 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