I agree.  However, finding the right GUI component library can make
things look very nice a lot quicker than you can do it on your own.
You still have to handle events properly (threading issues) and
architect stuff the right way, but having a nice library of "widgets"
is a great start.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Thomas Singer<wic...@regnis.de> wrote:
> Yes, this is indeed very funny. People think, that making a good (desktop)
> user interface is just about making the right choice of the used
> architecture or GUI builder. That's plain wrong. You also can't
> automatically make good looking and behaving web applications, just because
> you know how html and css work and how to use DreamWeaver.
>
> --
> Thomas
>
>
> Johan Compagner wrote:
>> Ha this is funny,
>> I hear things like swing is horrible to design, from users that use
>> wicket so html apps. I guess those dont design the webapps themselfs,
>> because if i have to choose i would choose swing or swt over html/css
>> any day.. I really hate css
>>
>> For swing apps just have a good ui builder like windows builder or
>> matisse. Windows builder also supports SWT
>>
>> With grouplayout making nice ui's that always looks good over multiply
>> os'ses or jvms is pretty easy
>>
>> You could try to use JavaFX but i havent experiences with that. But it
>> should be way easier to creaty flashy ui apps..
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/06/2009, Jeremy Thomerson <jer...@wickettraining.com> wrote:
>>> I would like to build a nice-looking java desktop application.  I hope
>>> that isn't an oxymoron  :).  I have built some desktop apps before - a
>>> lot of command line utilities in various languages, and some GUI apps
>>> (perl, java, python, php, even vb (yikes!), c# etc...).
>>>
>>> The question is - what framework do you use for your UI components and
>>> layout on a desktop app?  I would like to use Java because I'll be
>>> most efficient with it and it will work for me on linux machines and
>>> others on Windoze, etc..  But when I've built Swing apps in the past,
>>> I have hated having to layout everything in the code and I can never
>>> make anything aesthetically pleasing.  So....
>>>
>>> 1 - do you have any recommendations on a good framework for nice
>>> looking desktop apps?
>>> 2 - any other recommendations for desktop apps in general?
>>> 3 - It should be a lightweight, easy install - and I would prefer to
>>> stay away from using the Eclipse framework for building the app (I use
>>> the IDE but it doesn't need to be something that heavy for the GUI)
>>> 4 - I have even thought about building an app that opens a swing
>>> window that contains an embedded browser and jetty servlet running the
>>> app so that I can use Wicket.  Has anyone thought of or done this
>>> before?
>>>
>>> Basically, it's a CRUD application, but containing personal data that
>>> the user should not store on someone else's server.  I would use an
>>> embedded database that stores the data with encryption.
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Thomerson
>>> http://www.wickettraining.com
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