Those designs aren't what make me like CSS - most of them are necessarily-filled with hacks to make them work, especially across browsers.
Again I think it all comes down to familiarity. I still like the separation of markup for presentation and java for code - which is what draws me to Wicket and makes me dislike swing at first taste. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Luther Baker<lutherba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Admittedly - it may not be standard, easy or necessarily intuitive ... but > CSS ain't all bad is it? :) > > http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/ > > -Luther > > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Johan Compagner <jcompag...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> css is really crap (until i really can use box-sizing: border-box >> everywhere >> that will be a great relieve) >> >> who ever thought about that content-box should be shot and not through the >> head >> but shot at various places so that he will die a very painfull and slow >> death. >> >> its completely counter intuitive and i really can understand that microsoft >> did implement it first wrong (quirks mode) >> because who in there right minds comes up with something like that. >> >> johan >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 17:11, Jeremy Thomerson >> <jer...@wickettraining.com>wrote: >> >> > I used to hate HTML / CSS and had designers to do the layout. In the >> > past couple years, I've had to do all my own layouts from photoshop >> > images of what it should look like, and have become fairly proficient >> > with HTML / CSS. To the point where I actually sort of like it. Not >> > as much as coding the domain, service and lower layers, but I think >> > Wicket is the thing that actually made GUI programming fun for me. >> > Before that we had used Tapestry, which I hated. >> > >> > Anyway, I guess it's all familiarity. Someone's first web pages are >> > generally ugly too, just like my first Swing apps - just look at >> > MySpace - you'll see what I mean! >> > >> > -- >> > Jeremy Thomerson >> > http://www.wickettraining.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Johan Compagner<jcompag...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > Ha this is funny, >> > > I hear things like swing is horrible to design, from users that use >> > > wicket so html apps. I guess those dont design the webapps themselfs, >> > > because if i have to choose i would choose swing or swt over html/css >> > > any day.. I really hate css >> > > >> > > For swing apps just have a good ui builder like windows builder or >> > > matisse. Windows builder also supports SWT >> > > >> > > With grouplayout making nice ui's that always looks good over multiply >> > > os'ses or jvms is pretty easy >> > > >> > > You could try to use JavaFX but i havent experiences with that. But it >> > > should be way easier to creaty flashy ui apps.. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 11/06/2009, Jeremy Thomerson <jer...@wickettraining.com> wrote: >> > >> I would like to build a nice-looking java desktop application. I hope >> > >> that isn't an oxymoron :). I have built some desktop apps before - a >> > >> lot of command line utilities in various languages, and some GUI apps >> > >> (perl, java, python, php, even vb (yikes!), c# etc...). >> > >> >> > >> The question is - what framework do you use for your UI components and >> > >> layout on a desktop app? I would like to use Java because I'll be >> > >> most efficient with it and it will work for me on linux machines and >> > >> others on Windoze, etc.. But when I've built Swing apps in the past, >> > >> I have hated having to layout everything in the code and I can never >> > >> make anything aesthetically pleasing. So.... >> > >> >> > >> 1 - do you have any recommendations on a good framework for nice >> > >> looking desktop apps? >> > >> 2 - any other recommendations for desktop apps in general? >> > >> 3 - It should be a lightweight, easy install - and I would prefer to >> > >> stay away from using the Eclipse framework for building the app (I use >> > >> the IDE but it doesn't need to be something that heavy for the GUI) >> > >> 4 - I have even thought about building an app that opens a swing >> > >> window that contains an embedded browser and jetty servlet running the >> > >> app so that I can use Wicket. Has anyone thought of or done this >> > >> before? >> > >> >> > >> Basically, it's a CRUD application, but containing personal data that >> > >> the user should not store on someone else's server. I would use an >> > >> embedded database that stores the data with encryption. >> > >> >> > >> Ideas? >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Jeremy Thomerson >> > >> http://www.wickettraining.com >> > >> >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
