Hi Lester, Right now I'm in a similar situation: I'm working for a company that wants to (possibly) change from struts 1.X to something else and it is my job "present" the choices to the developers and managers, so that they can decide which will be the next framework the company will adopt for WEB development. I'm also trying to get Wicket adopted over the other candidates but that won't be easy...
I fully agree with Jonathan: the only thing PHBs care about is theirs own personal interests... So, they pay special attention to keep themselves "on the safe side of the fence". Cheers, Ernesto On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Lester Chua <cicowic...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jonathan, > > Bingo, I think you may have hit it on the spot. > > Igor, > > I have not managed to get a reply on how they determined Struts2 to be > better supported compared to Wicket. But I suspect the list of a approved > technologies is not very updated. I.e. the evaluation was probably done 2 > years ago. > > Thanks for all the responses. The anecdotes and points made were very > helpful and have helped out get out of my depression over the weekend. And I > have written a long and hopefully thoughtful reply to the technical > committee and will keep you guys posted. > > Lester > > > > Jonathan Locke wrote: > >> honestly, your response is too thoughtful. these pointy haired bosses are >> self-serving. they don't care about training costs or developer pain and >> they don't really care if their org runs efficiently. what they care >> about >> is that if there is a failure, their choice didn't cause it. which is why >> the old saying goes "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." same seems to >> go for struts. an idiotic technology choice, but you won't get fired for >> making the same idiotic choice everyone else is making. >> >> >> Loritsch, Berin C. wrote: >> >> >>> "But why choose an inferior technology just because of its adoption >>> numbers?" >>> >>> The pointy haired bosses that do this believe in their heart of hearts >>> that if you choose the same technology everyone else is using that they >>> can turn thinking developers for mindless drones. It has more to do >>> with avoiding training costs and rational thought, and more to do with >>> trying to turn software development into an assembly line process. >>> Reality never fits this mold, but it doesn't stop the pointy haired boss >>> from trying. In this respect they are eternal optimists. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: leo.erlands...@tyringe.com [mailto:leo.erlands...@tyringe.com] >>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:09 AM >>> To: users@wicket.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Help with Wicket Adoption Numbers >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We also had the same consideration when we chose Wicket. But why choose >>> an inferior technology just because of it's Adoption Numbers? Also, >>> Wicket >>> is becoming more and more popular as people see the light :) >>> >>> Check out Jobs Trends (Relative Growth) here (JSF vs Struts vs Wicket): >>> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=Struts%2C+JSF%2C+Wicket&l=&relative=1 >>> >>> We have a couple of hundred customers and so far the feedback is great >>> both from our Developers and our Software Architects. Customers like >>> that the GUIs are faster due to the simplicity of Ajax Adoption in >>> Wicket. >>> >>> I also know that several large privately held companies in Sweden are >>> using Wicket, as well as large Government Agencies (e.g. the Swedish >>> Immigration Office). >>> >>> >>> Sincerely yours >>> Leo Erlandsson >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >
