Jerry, sir: >.....The problem with this method is it will take too many lifetimes to >achieve. >The USMA has been around for over 100 years and as far as I can see it has >been as useless as tits on a bull. That should tell >everyone how ineffective >this organization is. I even doubt that the USMA has even had an influence on >what little metrication >has been achieved.
United States were among the 'first nations' to opt for signing the Convention du Metre, and over 200-years of history have not brought America any closer to Le System Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages). Debates & counter debates have only led US technocrats & politicians to maintain a status quo deffering/delaying the process of acomplishing change-to-metric philosophy in the hope that anti-metric forces shall convince the public : How NOT to go metric! If political dogma does not stand for VOTE BANK and consider the need to fall in line with 'rest of the world'; hurted economy that President Barack Obama is faced with to cope, Industry's bigwigs can advise the Presidential Office/Senate to consider priority in implementing 'Metric oriented directives', rather than impede even the process of accepting SI-langauge of the Metric - related to METRE & arc-length. This, to my mind, had been the reason that adjourned the Calendar Reform sine die (1955) and NOW become the first nation to complete the work half-done by Pope Gregory - especially when a solution is in sight! "Some of my historic linkages down to Indus civilisation are placed at: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_Ind-stps.aZtec_brCal-link";. Pray Pres. Obama's science teams and International Astronomy Year 2009 bring results. Brij Bhushan Vij Today:(MJD 2454957)/1361+D-135W19-01 (G. Monday, 2009 May 04H15:57 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ ******As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar***** "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:15:57 -0700 From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com Subject: [USMA:45009] Re: The true state of the USMA list...... To: usma@colostate.edu CC: usma@colostate.edu If this is suppose to be a forum on what is being done, well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that very little if anything is being done. At least not out in the open where the consumer is and since the consumer is also the worker, I doubt there is much being done in the work place. So how does one go about getting things done? As far as I can see it, there are two ways. The first way is the slow and easy approach. The second way is the quick and dirty approach. Most of the members of this forum seem to prefer the slow and easy. The hope that the population will someday wake up, see the light and decide it is time to change. Or if we take it in slow steps people will get use to it and we can take another step to they get use to that and eventually everything will be changed over. The problem with this method is it will take too many lifetimes to achieve. I'm more militant and believe the quick and dirty method works best. History has proved that. The opposition knows it too and that is why many of them lurk in the shadows of the USMA, some pretending to be supporters, trying to keep the USMA on the slow and easy (or as far as they are concerned, the never change) path. Just be nice and sweet to everyone and everyone will follow us because we are nice people. Sorry folks, but the nothing of value comes without fighting for it. The Independence did not come from the slow and easy approach, it came from a revolution. In a revolution you have to identify your enemies, remove them from your site and push forward with your goal. Without a revolution all of your dreams will never take root nor ever bear fruit. Yes, some of you don't like this approach but that is the only approach that has proven to work. The USMA has been around for over 100 years and as far as I can see it has been as useless as tits on a bull. I'd bet that 99.999999 % of the American people don't even know it exists. That should tell everyone how ineffective this organization is. I even doubt that the USMA has even had an influence on what little metrication has been achieved. So what kind of questions do you think can be asked in a forum that hasn't been asked already 100 times or more? The time for asking questions or even convincing the unconvincable is long past. You will never convince the Stephen Humphreys of the country, so why waste your time bothering? People who need to be educated or want to be educated should be able to go to the USMA website and learn all there is to know. SI is so easy people should be able to teach themselves the units they need to know in their life. As smart as most of you people are, it is somewhat surprising no one has come up with an effective method to accelerate the process of metrication in the US. It really shouldn't be that difficult. One thing that needs to be addressed is the direct effect of the lack of metrication on the economic depression the US is in. People need to be shown that metrication is associated with the abundance of good paying jobs. Without metrication the American people can expect to live in a future of poverty and struggle. The easy life will come to the nations that fully metric and fully industrial. The two can not be separated. Jerry From: James R. Frysinger <j...@metricmethods.com> To: U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu> Cc: U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:08:03 PM Subject: [USMA:45008] Re: The true state of the USMA list...... Very good, Phil. I would add one more serious and productive use for the USMA mail list. This should also be a forum for folks to ask questions in order to improve their understanding of the metric system. Jim Phil Chernack wrote: > I'm not one for writing much anymore but when I do contribute, I'd like to > think that what I have to say is cogent and impactful. Quite a while back, I > wrote a thread about being "nibbled to death by ducks." The whole point of > that thread was this list was becoming bogged down with such minutiae that we > were all losing sight of the big picture. I, too find myself breezing past > threads on the various subjects of late or only paying attention to certain > posters while ignoring others. > Let's look at what we should be talking about: > 1. Metrication in the USA. > 2. See 1. > Even though it is pretty much the hope and desire to see full metrication > here in the USA, I do not have any issue with hearing about experiences in > other places such as the UK or Australia. For the most part, those > contributions have been insightful and useful in our discussion of > metrication here. The idea is that we can learn from those experiences. I > just implore those making comments to "keep it civil" so we may have a > rational discourse. You never know, present your argument clearly and you > might swing some to your point of view! Time for the facts: > Spelling is something we do not need to discuss. I say tomato, you say > tomahto, even the BIPM does not care. Role of the BIPM vs local metrology > labs and laws. Let's remember that it is up to each nation on how to > interpret the SI for its own use. It is agreed through treaty and other > agreements that interpretations do not go beyond overall specifications but > things like spelling and such are determined at the national level. This > also includes the use of alternate or deprecated units on a temporary basis. > In the US, that authority is given by Congress to the Secretary of Commerce, > who has designated NIST. How laws are handled in other countries is their > business. > How metricated are we? I have seen numbers in the 60% to 80% range. Of > course it depends on how you define metrication. As Pat has pointed out on > many occasions, there is plenty of "hidden metric." I would hazard to say > that we are far more metricated than many here would believe. Industries > that sell overseas are most likely metric and thus, have no incentive to do > more. Many domestic industries are also metric as they have done so to save > money, buy new equipment or eventually sell overseas. What we don't see is > the day to day usage of people. This represents our biggest challenge. How > do we get people to use metric on a day-to-day basis? That is a discussion I > am willing to continue on this list. I do not have all the answers to this > one but I do have some definite ideas. > These are the areas I would like to see discussed. I don't need to know > what isn't being done. I want to know what should be done and how can we as > individuals, make that happen. > Thanks for your time, > Phil > > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Harry Wyeth <hbwy...@earthlink.net > <mailto:hbwy...@earthlink.net>> wrote: > > Amen to what Brian wrote. I couldn't care less about the personal > disputes, which names posters use, the repeated postings of personal > junk, some store named Tesco, or the state of metric in the UK. Get > a life, Jerry. I have been a USMA supporter for years and will > continue to be, but this list is about to drop off my computer for good. > > HARRY WYETH > > > br...@bjwhite.net <mailto:br...@bjwhite.net> wrote: >> Well, regardless (because of) of ya'll's bullshit (yes, I said >> it...someone had to) this list has gone downhill quickly. > > -- James R. Frysinger 632 Stony Point Mountain Road Doyle, TN 38559-3030 (C) 931.212.0267 (H) 931.657.3107 (F) 931.657.3108 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009
