: On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 22:06, Tim Riker wrote:
: > Bob Weaver wrote:
: > I doubt either is "true root" access. Let's see, I'll try editing the
: > nvram on the motherboard, rewriting the flash bios, installing a new
: > bootloader in the mbr and rebooting.
:
: It depends on your definition of "root".  User mode Linux gives you full
: "hardware" access to your own virtual machine.  It's similar to a copy
: of Linux running on an S/390, of course you don't have full access to
: the real hardware.  It's accessed through the VM, which you have full
: access to.
:
: In any case, root access generally refers to the operating system, not
: hardware.  One doesn't usually refer to "root access" to the BIOS, or
: "root access" to the jumpers on the motherboard.
:
: UML gives you full root access, with your own operating system on a
: virtual machine.  I believe you can even compile your own kernel -- it
: just has to be compiled for that "hardware" (the VM).
:
: The original poster was referring to the difference between FreeVSD and
: UML, not commenting on whether one or the other allows you to write to
: the nvram on the motherboard.  FreeVSD is mostly a hacked chroot, while
: UML really is your own virtual machine with full root access.  For
: someone using virtual hosting, that's a huge difference.

My thoughts exactly.. I don't recall the last time I needed to edit my nvram.. Oh 
wait, yeah I do, that was
the 24th of never..

Thanks,

Bob


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