On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Stuart Jansen <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 10:34 -0600, Bryan Murdock wrote: >> If you are working on unixes boxes so old they can't run emacs, it's >> time to look for a new job. > > Nobody said anything about the systems being too old. Just that many > sysadmins don't bother installing emacs unless they know there'll be > whiny emacs users on the system. > > (To say nothing of embedded systems like phones and wireless access > points. I can SSH into my phone and have fun with vi, but no emacs.)
Sorry, the only embedded systems I've hacked on extensively ran an RTOS and you had to write your own shells and applications for them. No emacs or vi :-( I got farthest on those by writing pexpect scripts to interact with the rudimentary shell that we had, but that's getting a bit off topic. > If all you've ever learned about Vim is how to quit, you're hardly in a > position to share a useful opinion. You've called me out. Here is where I admit that some of my best emacs tricks are things I saw power-vim users do, and then went and researched how to do the same on emacs. vi kind of forces users to become power users, whereas emacs is easy to use for basic stuff from the get-go, and many users never even realize the full potential of emacs. I do know the basics of vi(m) and can get around if in it if I really have to. My impression is that vi is more RISC with lots of single button commands strung together to get things done (which fortunately you can repeat with .), and emacs is more CISC, with longer commands and/or macros that (may or may not have keyboard shortcuts) that do more stuff in one fell swoop. Bryan -------------------- BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ The opinions expressed in this message are the responsibility of their author. They are not endorsed by BYU, the BYU CS Department or BYU-UUG. ___________________________________________________________________ List Info (unsubscribe here): http://uug.byu.edu/mailman/listinfo/uug-list
