Let us stop this now and put this war behind us. I can see that Tom has added Ken as an admin. Cheers to Tom and Ken
Regards Manvendra On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 19:39, Benjamin Tomhave, CISSP wrote: > First off, everybody needs to quit whining. Seriously, if Tom hadn't > taken up the reins, there would be ZERO DEVELOPMENT on this project right > now. Unless you were willing to send a truck of cash to Inter7, they > would often not even respond to emails asking whether development would > continue, let alone addressing actual, verified bugs in the code. > > Second, if there's confusion about what a "devel" release is versus a > stable release, then I suggest you go back to kindergarten, because this > is NOT A NEW METHOD for developing an open source project. If you're > confused, perhaps it's because you're not very smart, in which case maybe > you ought not be a systems administrator. Some of us are running devel > code in our production environments because we needed features that Inter7 > didn't seem inclined to add, such as seekable patch, etc. Under the > pressure of meeting customer demands, it has been absolutely necessary to > install devel releases. HOWEVER, that DOESN'T MEAN installing EVERY devel > release -- just installing one that seems stable while providing the > needed functionality. > > Third, there are certainly improvements that can be made to the PROCESS. > But, btw, in case everybody was sleeping when he announced it, Tom has > created a vpopmail-devel mailing list where all of you can contribute to > the devel discussions, where, oh btw, the question of CVS access has been > presented previous and will, I believe, be forthcoming. > > Should this be a separate fork? No. Why? Because, imho, regardless of > what Ken Jones might claim, vpopmail has been shelved by Inter7, and is > thus a dead product without this open source SF project. Inter7 has > failed, probably for economic reasons, to continue supporting the product > in the open source community, which has been a very common occurrence over > the past few years. That anybody took over the development and moved it > forward is quite amazing, and I think we all ought to heartily thank Tom > for doing so. > > Now, onto the specific concerns raised, I think the following practice > should be adopted: > 1) CVS should be enabled. > 2) If KJ wants to be an admin, then he needs to justify his request more > than "it was my baby originally", and then he should be added. > 3) Instead of "releasing" devel releases, I think we should switch to a > "nightly build" approach so that there is "stable-current" and then > "latest-devel", and not a string of devel releases. Tom, I would probably > list 3 packages total: 5.2.x-stable, the last 5.3.x release from Inter7, > and then 5.3.x-latest-devel. > 4) Inter7 needs to get over themselves and gradually join back into the > development, IF AND ONLY IF they plan to play nicely with others. If they > don't, then maybe they should go get bent since there's been a ton of > positive movement on this project in their absence. NO FORKING. > > Disclaimer: If you disagree with these comments, that's your prerogative, > but I personally don't want to hear sniping comments back about it, > because frankly, I don't value the opinion of most of you. The list > membership over the past year has become overpopulated with whiny idiots > who have no appreciation for where the product has been, how it almost > died, and how it has now seen tremendous progress in the absence of Ken > and Inter7. > > > On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 10:07 AM, Ken Jones wrote: > >> Just so everyone knows. Tom Collins is attempting > >> to fork the vpopmail project. He refuses to let me > >> share ownership of the vpopmail and qmailadmin > >> projects on source forge. When I asked him to > >> add me as an owner on the project he said he > >> refuses now and at any time in the future to > >> allow me to share ownership. > > > > I have forked ownership since I felt that Inter7 was doing a poor job > > of maintaining vpopmail and qmailadmin. I readily acknowledge that Ken > > created vpopmail and qmailadmin. They're GPL projects, so I'm free to > > fork them if I like. Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've > > kept up with submitted patches and bug reports. I feel that making the > > move was beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use > > them. > > > > I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and Inter7. > > > > I've told Ken that he's more than welcome to contribute to the project > > on SourceForge, or to maintain his own version of vpopmail and > > qmailadmin. I also stated that until I stopped actively maintaining > > vpopmail and qmailadmin, I saw no need to add him as a project > > administrator. Michael Bowe has been actively involved with vpopmail > > development, and I had no problem adding him as an admin. > > > > Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development > > since March. We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases > > since then. Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out > > in the open, and allows anyone to contribute. > > > > Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project. I'm not > > sure I understand what he loses out on by being a developer on the > > project and not an admin. > > > > -- > > Tom Collins > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ > > Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/ > > > > > > >
